Millwall boss critical of chanting during Leeds United game

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IAN Holloway wants to stamp out "disrespectful" chanting at Millwall games.

The Lions boss was critical of taunts aimed at Leeds United fans about Jimmy Savile during Saturday's opening-day victory over the Yorkshire side.

Police believe that Savile, who was born in the city, was a prolific sexual offender.

Holloway said: "I didn't like the banter to be honest. I don't think that is respectful, I really don't.

"I don't think the chants are right because that is disrespecting anybody he hasn't treated with the utmost respect, which is disgusting.

"I don't care where he is from or what he does – that's an absolute disgrace. Let's stop and think about what he has actually done, yeah?

"That's the most important thing and we don't see that. 'Oh, it is a bit of banter'. But it isn’t funny, is it? I don’t think so.

"Nobody likes a laugh more than me but I'm respectful.

"It goes over what football is about and to me that is obscene."

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138 thoughts on “Millwall boss critical of chanting during Leeds United game

  • August 9, 2014 at 19:02
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    If the ball was on the other foot, Leeds fans would do the same. Big fan of Holloway but to spend the majority of the press conference criticising the fans with no mention of the support and atmosphere we created is poor. It's football, it won't stop and we won't be the only team to have sung it to Leeds, so should be focusing on the positives of a great result.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:04
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    Holloway is 100% right. It's not just banter as there are a lot of victims involved.

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    • August 9, 2014 at 19:18
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      @Hannibal: totally agree with ollie@Hannibal: totally agree with ollie on this , anyone who thinks it's ok to make jokes about kids being abused need to take a look at themselves and grow up .

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      • August 10, 2014 at 01:45
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        And what did you do apart from agree? Look forward to the reply.@southstandview:

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      • August 9, 2014 at 21:19
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        @mitchamscaff: Poxy laptop sorry but we was taking the pxxs out of the scum like they do to us when ever they get a chance you go to any comedy club and everyone is laughing its that intimidating atmosphere which helped roar they quality lions on today not that they needed much help all of em 10 out of 10 COYL NOLU WDC

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    • August 11, 2014 at 16:09
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      @Hannibal: ollie has a point but if he felt upset about the chanting he should have waited for the next league game and came out and spoke to the crowd over the tannoy, not hang it out in the papers. he has to realise we are a pretty unforgiving support and we will not change overnight. man u get it in the neck still over munich air disaster from the leeds fans, does that make us worse than them, i think not. change will come but it will take time!

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:04
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    What a load of cobblers. Get on with managing the team.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 00:55
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      Your either "one of them fans" or not.. Simple, but without "those type of fans" we'd be charlton.. It's what we're built on, it's only a song, get over it

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:05
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    Zzz....

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:07
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    I didn't even know Jimmy Saville lived in Istanbul

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:14
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    I think it's quite funny to be honest. It's a good chant.

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    • August 9, 2014 at 19:23
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      @benzo: the mental one says he understands mfc fans..its obvious that he dont.& to slate your own fans after we pushed the team on to victory.thats a disgrace

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      • August 9, 2014 at 20:36
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        @Jim28: It is disgusting to chant such things. How many? 50, 60, 70 were chanting this filth? Is it OK for you, Jim, to support and defend people who make a mockery of serious crimes ruining childhood, adolsecence and adulthood and even a sense of sexuality only because they support Millwall? Jim, I love Millwall but humanity is more important that Millwall. Like you claim Ian Holloway doesn't understand MFC; I believe he understands the majority of Millwall fans are understanding of social order via a conscience, and this is exactly what will lead to sponsorship and the future of our club if only this side of our club was what the media would promote. Instead they will pick up on these chants by the people you try to defend. This man REALLY understands this and thus really understands Millwall, and my respect for him for slagging off the scum chants reinforces he is the most important acquisiation in this club's recent history, if not its entire history.

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        • August 10, 2014 at 04:05
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          @SE14: i have never in my life read as much b******* as you have just posted.ffs you cant even be bothered to go to the den.w****** like you we can do without.

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          • August 10, 2014 at 09:04
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            @Jim28: Thanks for the kind and affectionate words. With the below links, I rest my case:-

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2720858/Ian-Holloway-hits-fans-Millwall-supporters-chant-Jimmy-Savile-win-Leeds.html

            http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/09/ian-holloway-millwall-obscene-jimmy-savile-chants

            http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/millwall-boss-ian-holloway-slams-4030469#.U-cmfmM1SR0

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/millwall/11023903/Ian-Holloway-slams-obscene-Millwall-fans-for-Jimmy-Savile-chants-during-victory-over-Leeds.html

            http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/millwall-leeds-chanting-istanbul-police-510205

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        • August 10, 2014 at 08:34
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          @SE14: 50, 60 ,70 !!! Really!!!!!!! judging by the noise it was in the thousands. Anyway, on to things that REALLY matter, we won 2-0

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:21
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    Anything to get at the wippet botherers.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:26
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    Get this clueless Worsel carrot crunching mug out the club JB. The ponce, if he wants is to become palace or Charlton he knows we're door is!! P****

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    • August 9, 2014 at 19:35
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      @Tayls: You're the p****, not Ollie. Making jokes about Saville will have really gone down well with all his victims

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      • August 10, 2014 at 09:04
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        @junkmale: It has gone on for years. Its nothing new get over it. Your probably find the victims to be a lot stronger then you think

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    • August 9, 2014 at 19:37
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      @Tayls:

      Could you clarify your position please Tayls....I am unsure wgere you stand on this issue

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    • August 9, 2014 at 20:40
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      @Tayls: i can imagine jb really taking notice of you mate

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    • August 9, 2014 at 21:19
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      @Tayls: what a t***** you are, so the bloke isn't allowed an opinion ?

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:35
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    F****** tame compared to what I've heard over the years.. If u don't like it don't comment, sometimes you need to learn at Millwall if you don't like something it's best not to say anything rather than dig the fans out

    Can guarantee there were more singing I than not, learn your club mate

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    • August 11, 2014 at 12:52
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      @brockleysfinest: b*******, why shouldn't they voice their opinion? If you and others are happy to chant things that others find out of order the very least you could do is accept that they can tell you what they think!

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:36
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    Fuc###g tame compared to what I've heard over the years.. If u don't like it don't comment, sometimes you need to learn at Millwall if you don't like something it's best not to say anything rather than dig the fans out

    Can guarantee there were more singing I than not, learn your club mate

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:54
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    I appreciate what Ollie is trying to do for the club but he needs to understand that he manages the team and is part of the board and thats it! All these orders to fans and stuff needs to stop. He doesn't own us and can't influence everything. Starting to think he thinks he's bigger than the club with all these comments. Had a pop against a bloke at Dartford. He needs to chill the f*** out!

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    • August 9, 2014 at 21:54
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      @kempo_123: Ollie had to be restrained outside the Execs today, Don't know what the fan said but he really lost it.

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      • August 10, 2014 at 08:41
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        @Adsy77777: not the first time either adsy, he had to be pulled off Eddie howe at the bornemouth match last season! Seems its ok to have a ruck , but not ok to sing songs!!!

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    • August 10, 2014 at 01:13
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      Got to agree. After the penalty went in the whole ground was singing it! Along with the loudest miiiiiiiiiilllllll I can remember for a long time, felt like a completely different club from last season... Never heard jacket moaning about it

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  • August 9, 2014 at 19:55
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    it is Leeds after all - there won't anything like that for Wycombe - all the stick they've given us over the years

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  • August 9, 2014 at 20:07
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    The only people this disrespects are:

    1. Leeds fans, for having Jimmy Saville associated to their club
    2. Jimmy Saville, for being associated with Leeds United

    F*** both of 'em. It has absolutely nothing to do with the victims. Nobody is praising the bloke, nobody is making light of what he did. We are riling their fans up, and rightly so. I'll sing whatever needs to be sung to agitate Leeds fans, west ham fans, etc. The passion will die if we take this away. Might as well go to Old Trafford, sit down, clap and eat my prawn sandwiches in silence.

    Iiiiiiistanbul! Issssssstanbul!

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    • August 9, 2014 at 20:18
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      @alpha_dogg: and your last remarks about Istanbul are you making fun of two fans being killed supporting their team I suppose , what a stupid remark clearly made by an idiot .

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      • August 9, 2014 at 20:31
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        @southstandview: Yeah, I know. Leeds fans!

        "Football is not a matter of life and death, it's more important than that"

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    • August 9, 2014 at 21:23
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      @alpha_dogg: think your missing H's point , a few of them in the North Upper may know or be family of victims of Saville , I think it's funny banter but I do understand what he's getting at. ........ Who's next for the treatment?

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      • August 10, 2014 at 08:24
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        @Lincolnshire Lion:
        I would imagine who ever pitches up with something lurking in their history. And I expect they will manage to get over it.

        Actually I didn't find it especially funny but there you go, nobody died, I doubt anybody was traumatised for life and, as it happens, Saville was indeed one of their own.

        But either way the posturing, sanctimonious rants about how terrible it was to remind them of this simply help the lazy, biased dipsticks of the press fill up a few more column inches.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 20:11
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    Have we given up on the Karen Matthews chants then....DISGRACE

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  • August 9, 2014 at 20:11
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    friend attacked last season at London bridge last season by leeds.friends car smashed up by leeds fans at south Bermondsey.ollie gets the hump over banter????

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  • August 9, 2014 at 20:15
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    Respect to ollie for trying to push the club in a fonder light and this is alot less brutal than Istanbul chants. But in regards to Leeds if it was the other way round those scummy c**** would all be wearing saville masks to the game. Just accept the improvement on last year and move on

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  • August 9, 2014 at 20:26
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    It's about time we as fans take responsibility for the silly chanting it's not seventies any more . we will never be like charlton or palace because were Millwall and passionate about our team.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 20:48
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    What has happened to football banter. Heard it all, your all goons. Please get a life. Ollie is a hero to you lot. Proper suits you lot down to the ground the mong. Bet he right cracks you up.

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    • August 9, 2014 at 20:58
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      @Tayls: bet you hope we get Newcastle in the cup then you can make up a comedy song about the two fans killed when that plane was shot down .

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        • August 9, 2014 at 21:15
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          @Tayls: you really are a very sad person but that's your problem and you might grow out of it one day , or maybe not .

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    • August 9, 2014 at 21:25
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      @Tayls: come back and say that in a English you retard.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 20:54
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    We sing what we want, we sing what we want, we are Millwall, we sing what we want!

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  • August 9, 2014 at 21:22
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    Ollie is 100% right! I love the passion and atmosphere down the den and I wouldn't give it up for all the money in the world but I've been there at games where we (me included) have gone to far with the chants, one that comes to mind was versus Pompey a fair few years back at the Den when graham rix was there guvnor , The whole 90 minutes was hurling abuse at him and no support for the team, I was only about 15 at the time so joined in! LETS GET BEHIND OUR WALL AND CHANT FOR THEM! Goad the away fans for what they are but lets not stoop to the nastiness of today, savill has destroyed countless lives, it shouldn't be chanted in a football stadium, especially not our den

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    • August 9, 2014 at 21:29
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      @mfc_fan: totally agree mate , get behind the team and stop all the vile stuff .

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  • August 9, 2014 at 21:29
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    Christ do we have a bunch of kids posting on this site, grow up and try to understand what Holloway is saying, remember he has two disabled children. Keep the chants funny, not abusive.

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    • August 9, 2014 at 21:46
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      @hernebaylion: my thoughts exactly, I will hurl abuse and shout at the away lot all day long but only as banter and there is a limit to it, if we ever want to loose the 'hooligan rep' we have us the fans and I mean the real ones need to speak up in the stands and try to stop the vile and abusive chants! We all know the real Wall songs so lets sing em loud and proud!

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  • August 9, 2014 at 21:49
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    How f****** sanctimonious from both Ollie and some of the posters on here. This is not revelling in others misery: half the stand ups on the circuit would be out of business if this subject was out of bounds. I find the 'Istanbul' chants offensive personally, I would find any chant about Gary Speed, highly offensive and we have no one who has sunk that low. Some people need to grow up - including Ollie!

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    • August 10, 2014 at 11:24
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      @Adsy77777: so Istanbul and Gary speed chants you find offensive but songs about a serial paedophile of several decades not...... Ok.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 21:52
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    Ian Holloway: "Managing a league club is like making love to a mermaid. You should always be aiming for a top half finish."

    What about this sexism then?

    It's Ok when Ollie wants to banter.

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    • August 9, 2014 at 22:48
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      @Ashdotman:

      yes absolutely; far more degrading to women

      ultimately the Saville chants hurt because they hit a nerve - Leeds as a club welcomed him and the BBC and many many other turned a blind eye to his behaviour for many year and that is a reality - If IH is that bothered about the victims, I suggest he works with lobby groups for full justice for the victims, until all the people who covered for him are named and brought to justice - the chants work because it is about hypocrisy and not about making fun of paedophilia or the victims- quite the opposite, it shows how power is only for some

      What about Karen Brady and the abuse she got/gets - now been made a member of the House of Lords - for what? services to what? the Tories' campaign - absolutely disgusting - see the point is some of us have memories and remember what she said about us - we not allowed to say anything back now?

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      • August 9, 2014 at 23:25
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        @timchimes: In my opinion, I'd rather everyone had a bit of banter and a laugh then it kicking off like last time against Birmingham where locals had their cars smashed up etc.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 22:34
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    What makes millwall what it is? The mob rule,fads and political correctness are not relevant.I don't agree with everything people chant and decline to join in at times,however if people don't have the same sensibilities as me it's their perogative!

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  • August 9, 2014 at 22:41
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    Ollie should concentrate on managing the team. No one in this country minds when our fans are insulted, calling us all hooligans etc
    Some of the. Chants today are near the mark but that's football
    Ollie needs to realise the fans pay lots of money to support their team and as far as I'm aware this country still has free speech
    I didn't want him as manager and he's not really doing a lot to endear the fans with comments like this, he should praise us for being passionate!!!!!

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  • August 9, 2014 at 22:50
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    Just heard Ollie on sky and he had a poke at West Yorkshire police about the Woolley edge debacle every season he was backing us fans we need to back the best manager since the doc

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  • August 9, 2014 at 23:27
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    He's one of your!! Own!!!

    He's one of your own!!!

    I can see where Holloway is coming from, it's like joke texts you laugh because it's bad, it's a British thing to do but we don't actually think the situation is funny.

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  • August 9, 2014 at 23:28
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    I can see where Holloway is coming from, it's like joke texts you laugh because it's bad, it's a British thing to do but we don't actually think the situation is funny.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 01:06
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    I think standards are really slipping at our club, didn't hear anybody ask Zampa if she takes it up the a***.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 01:19
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      She???

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  • August 10, 2014 at 01:22
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    This is Millwall you doughnuts! We are not PC if you don't like it go and collect stamps. When are we ever going to be PC? Banter is banter, I can't believe the lemons on here. Go and support Charlton if the chants offend you. Or you could go and front the chanters. Grow some nuts if you don't like the chants and stop crying on here.

    Leeds sex cases!

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    • August 10, 2014 at 11:40
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      @Peckham exile: you seem to think that in order to be a Millwall fan you need to act like a c*** the whole time and be as offensive as possible.

      What's funny or seen as going too far is subjective so if you think most stuff is acceptable than that's fine but likewise you should accept that other fans disagree.

      Doesn't make someone any less a wall fan. (But that's just my opinion)

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      • August 14, 2014 at 16:52
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        @MFC Lion: Where did I say that then? Don't worry about what I seem to be saying. In plain English if the (so called) majority find it offensive. Take some action!
        Is that clear enough?

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  • August 10, 2014 at 01:30
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    I've got the good Grassgrower inside my head most times, then there's the other Grassgrower !!! I listen with interest 2 Ollie and understand what he,s saying, he seeks promotion and a better profile for this club which will be more appealing to the main stream and provide more avenues to generate revenue etc, and generally a more socially acceptable outcome but for me personally,I love the fact that millwall is a stand alone club with a somewhat chequered past, I just hope that in the quest for greatness and deliverance to the promised land a balance can be found so we can enjoy the best of everything on offer without absolutely turning plastic. Every club has history, good, bad or indifferent.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 02:57
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    we were the 12th man today and f*** Leeeds scum they give as much back , we are millwall not fulham we are passionate not a family club . ollie manage the team and play football like you did today and we will follow but we will sing out as loud as we want

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    • August 10, 2014 at 04:38
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      @DELBOY64:
      .hollaway if you dont like proper millwall fans you know where the door is.& the same goes for all the a*** lickers.

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      • August 10, 2014 at 05:11
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        @Jim28: aside from this discussion how was the atmosphere Jim? Did ya get the feel things have changed a bit from last season and maybe the structures gunna be better?

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        • August 10, 2014 at 08:09
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          @grassgrower: the atmosphere was great from the very 1st minute.it was as if we didn't believe we could lose.gregory came on & looked at home in this league

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          • August 10, 2014 at 17:01
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            @Jim28: it was a little subdued compared to normal Leeds games during the middle period as we never really looked out of control, but having said that it was still great.

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      • August 11, 2014 at 23:44
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        @Jim28: @Jim28: Funny thing is jim you also know where the door is,so take your own advice and use it.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 06:55
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    The thing is that unless you're an actual fan, you will never understand. I f***ing hate leeds more than most clubs and personally don't care if people don't like it. How could I when my whole life around millwall is to not care what people think? It is what makes millwall. Personally I think ollie doesn't either, but he has big plans and ambitions for the club and these of things can hold the team back....But at the en of the day jimmy is one of their own!

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  • August 10, 2014 at 07:27
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    Also...I'm only 24 so I understand I missed the times when football tear ups were at a peak, but I can guarantee some people commenting against the chants, at some point, have probably kicked a leeds fans teeth in. Today was one of the best days I've been to millwall. Seeing everyone actually enjoy it is a good thing and I actually thought atmosphere was great. I've been buzzing all day. Last season was horrible for me personally, so if a win and some jimmy saville chants give me, my family and friends a big smille and feel good feeling then f**k it I'll sing all day. It's not just the football, it is because of this stuff like this a lot that my friends are jealous their teams don't. And they come with me to some games just to witness it it in real and say "yeah I've millwall, it was great!" WE ARE FAMOUS FOR THIS. WE ARE EVIL ;). They love it and I guarantee wen leeds sing against Man U, they sing

    too. This happens at all grounds, it's just because we are millwall it might get pointed out. The manager talking about it doesn't help. I'm sorry but jacket always backed the fans. Even wembley he kept shut. And I am a massive holloway fan, but like another song I sing, if he don't like me, I don't care, I am millwall, super millwall. That goes for anyone, I've been raised that way by you lot around me since the age of about 4... Turkey chants are ok then? Because I think that is a lot more personal to them then some perv who probably never did even touch any of them anyway? Yet some of them fans might have witnissed a death of their fan? And anyway if he thinks that's not acceptable, wait for Fulham, because after this brilliant performance, people are going to be well up for it. I'm sorry but I love this stuff. I'm Not a sick person, and I have respect for those effected by the perv, but these chants make me love millwall. I laugh so much and my mates all want to know what we sing. We are famous for this. We are millwall. Super millwall

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  • August 10, 2014 at 08:39
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    Listen to his tv and Lions Player interviews and it tells a different story he says he is proud of supporters and club if he is trying to change our reputation good on him for trying(not that it will work lol) but most of this is a overreaction by some people if he gets us the good results to take us to the next level i couldn't really care what he says

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    • August 10, 2014 at 09:13
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      @jackmfc99: the fact that ollie is standing up to the idiot minority shows he cares about the club and he has bigger gonads than any previous manager , he should be applauded for it .

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  • August 10, 2014 at 09:07
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    This is Millwall mate. Don't ever confuse us with anyone else. Never bite the hand that feeds ya!

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    • August 10, 2014 at 09:11
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      @NO1LIKESUS: couldn't have said it better myself mate

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  • August 10, 2014 at 09:09
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    Right or wrong, ollie shouldnt step over the line with these sort of comments! Stick to running the team cos he will never run the fans! Hes done a great job winning the fans over but comments like this will be remembered if we dont get the results we want! Old saying, dont chuck the baby out with the bath water

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  • August 10, 2014 at 09:53
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    First time I've looked online since we beat the scum again. Was buzzing. Wot the f*** is goin on holloway instead of talking about winning. Does the medias work by slagging off the fans. He's just given them all the amunition to write whatever they want. Sometimes Ollie u need to think before u open your mouth

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  • August 10, 2014 at 09:59
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    I do not understand the mentality of the people who sing this bile, nor the people who defend it. Ollie has always spoken very well of us fans since he has been here,and still did that yesterday ,obviously he didn't like this and has said so, we have enjoyed getting his compliments so today we get a b*********, be big enough to take it on the chin cos what was sung wasn't nice.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 10:08
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      @bordersarebest0170: sadly some of our fans are stuck in the 80s , the image has to change if the club want to move on but they just don't get it .

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  • August 10, 2014 at 10:07
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    dont understand , these silly comments from ollie , on one hand he says he wants us as a club to be seen in a new light , and be noticed for our football , and then he goes and makes this stupid comment to bbc radio after the game , and guess what ollie , our club are in the sundays papers all about chanting , and not football , we have been chanting these same songs before , but he has gave the papers and reporters what they need , he says he wants us to get tickets at leeds , well u have blown that one, he says stronger together , then dont s*** us off to reporters , stick to the team , thats your job, thanks to his comments , my beloved millwall in all the papers for the wrong reason ,

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    • August 10, 2014 at 10:25
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      @munson68: we're in the papers for the wrong reasons once again but not cos of ollie , blame the idiots chanting vile stuff for that mate .

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      • August 10, 2014 at 17:22
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        @southstandview: no, because of ian holloway the bald c***. Stop a*** licking him.

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        • August 10, 2014 at 22:13
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          @Tayls: you really are a total loser , won't waste any more time on you.

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      • August 10, 2014 at 17:23
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        @southstandview: no, because of ian holloway the bald p****. Stop a*** licking him.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 10:28
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      @munson68: we're in the papers for the wrong reasons once again but not cos of ollie , blame the idiots chanting vile stuff for that mate .@munson68: we're in the papers yet again but not cos of ollie but because of the idiot minority once again

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      • August 10, 2014 at 11:25
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        @southstandview: what about the last two seasons same songs at leeds game , no reports in the papers , we are in the papers cos he loaded there gun , naive on his part

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  • August 10, 2014 at 10:10
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    I think Ollie has been naive in responding to a loaded question from a scumbag journo intent on causing division in the ranks, when I say naive I mean in the sense that handling the media at this football club is a skill over and above what is required at all other clubs. Ollie is entitled to his opinion but the question could have been swerved or answered a little more diplomatically. Ollie has always stuck up for the fans during his short tenure here, so lets not give the media what they want, we need to get behind him and put this ridiculous subject behind us.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 10:14
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    Footie banter, you can't beat it!
    It's about giving and taking.
    Brilliant yesterday, good all round performance, every lions player gave a good account of themselves, keep going boys!!

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  • August 10, 2014 at 10:24
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    I totally agree with IH such tastless remarks have no place anywhere let alone our proud club. There is unfortunately an element that come to games not to watch football but to insult and be abusive to the opposition. When Gordon Jago took over the club a long time ago he said he wanted to make Millwall a family club, where people felt safe and enjoyed the afternoon out. The morons who spout abuse and swear don't realise the damage they do to the club by turning potential supporters away. Thankfully they are only a minority and the overwhelming majority make a noise only Millwall fans can do in supporting our team.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 10:44
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      @Peckhamlad: well said Peckham lad totally agree these morons are living in the past the majority of our fans don't want or need it bet it the same morons the disgraced us at Wembley yes we're unique and that will never change but the 5% who want to destroy the club and give the press ammunition to write bad things you to think before you sing these sad songs .

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      • August 11, 2014 at 01:03
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        @carewlion: not entirely sure if most people commenting went to the game yesterday but it certainly wasn't the minority singing yesterday... It sounded more like 14000 millwall, it was deafening!! Plus people say it was vile?? I don't think it was, no swear words, no racism just people stating a fact and signing about it to rile up the opposition! Not one person signing about Saville yesterday is condoning what he did, infancy im 100% sure they would batter him if they could have the chance but it's Millwall and I couldn't see one person upset with people signing it! As for the galatasary chants, that I don't approve, I even asked a few people to stop signing that... Regardless of what club they supported no young lads deserve to die in a foreign country supporting there team!! As for Holloway, I see what he is trying to do but sadly all he achieved was highlighting an issue to the press that otherwise they would not have gone to press... That's not an opinion it's a fact, it's been sung before but never wrote about, that's his mistake! On a brighter note fantastic result and can't wait for the rest of the season

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    • August 10, 2014 at 11:38
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      @Peckhamlad:
      Its a fine line though, if your talking about filling the club full of mums dads and kids sat there eating popcorn and waving foam hands clapping in an 'enthusiastic manner' ...the thought of hundreds of mums and kids singing no one likes us feels me with dread....'family club' = no atmosphere, you might be better,off supporting arsenal...its the 'singers' who create the atmosphere that we are famous for, the 'extra man'...its not about laughing at crime victims, in my opinion, there is no real malice despite how it looks and sounds. I don't join in, and I'm not condoning it either, but its important to know why its done. That said, there are also acceptable limits.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 11:40
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      @Peckhamlad:
      Its a fine line though, if your talking about filling the club full of mums dads and kids sat there eating popcorn and waving foam hands clapping in an 'enthusiastic manner' ...the thought of hundreds of mums and kids singing no one likes us feels me with dread....'family club' = no atmosphere, you might be better,off supporting arsenal...its the 'singers' who create the atmosphere that we are famous for, the 'extra man'...its not about laughing at crime victims, in my opinion, there is no real malice despite how it looks and sounds. I don't join in, and I'm not condoning it either.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 10:58
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    Grow the hell up!!! This is millwall, when the west ham riots happened and our fan got got stabbed they soon sang it us, so it's about time we sang a few things ourselves. It's football we pay to get in so we sing what we want when we want not like we are
    Let in ffs.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 11:09
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      @rob hearn: rob i agree with you and all the other fans who want sing or chant what they want,i also agree with ollie that he can say what he wants,as you say thats football we all have our own opinions.
      I must say i agree with ollie more than i agree with you and the other fans who ollie was critical of.
      So keep going ollie because you are heading in the right direction.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 11:05
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    Oh dear Ollie, & you were doing so well too. This is what footie fans do up & down the country & it will never go away! If you ask me the clever songs have died a death at the Den in recent times, we were always good for a witty tune or two but I can remember a mere handful in the past 20 years. What goes around comes around anyway, after reading the Mirror this morning the Leeds faithful have been armed to the teeth with Mr Frank Maloneys outting himself as a transgender. I bet them lovely, cuddly yorkshire lads will let that ride 'cos it would be distressing to the man to sing songs about it at a football match..................

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  • August 10, 2014 at 11:07
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    Very interesting reading all the comments on this subject - and looking at the votes, it seems to be very divided - 50/50 on a lot of comments. Hard to draw the line on this subject - I had mixed views when CH4 showed that program on discrimination in football... talking mostly about homophobic chanting - coincidently our next home game after that show was aired was Brighton - which I remember being a slightly more muted affair than usual!
    I think a lot of this comes down to peoples taste in humor - even main stream humor can divide a lot of peoples opinions..
    The homophobic chanting is a good example of the mixed views - IMO, I reckon 99% of people that have made a homophobic remark at a football match - really couldn't give 2 sh**s about what goes on behind closed doors between people of the same sex. I would imagine that pretty much everybody in the ground today, knows someone who is gay - through work, business, family etc. Just because someone says something 'homophobic' - doesn't mean that person is gona go out gay bashing! But what is more to the point is - WHO is the abuse is aimed at....?? As with the Saville gags - is it aimed at the victims of sexual abuse / the minority of fans or players that are gay.....? OR is it aimed at -
    1 - a bunch of heterosexual blokes that get pissy if their sexuality is questioned?
    2 - anyone from Leeds - just because they're from Leeds, makes them a peodo.....!?
    That's how silly the joke is! To simplify it =
    Leeds call us 'a town full of pikeys'....
    We call them 'a town full of peodos'.....
    EVERYBODY calls Brighton fans gay......
    None of the above statements are true - it's just a way of having a dig at each other...
    What I can say with some certainty - is 100% of wall fans despise Jimmy Savilles crimes and if any of us actually met any of his victims we'd have genuine sympathy for them.
    I totally get what Ollie is saying - he says it exactly how he sees it and he has the best intentions for the club in bringing this up - he wants to change our image (sounds like that might've backfired - haven't read the papers yet....). Some chants will always divide opinion - I don't join in with every chant made up... It's kind of like Frankie Boyles brainstorming session at the den sometimes - things get said that probably shouldn't be said!

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    • August 10, 2014 at 11:34
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      @Luke ColdBlow10:good post agree except for holloway he has got to understand that representing our club is totally different to other clubs. U can't give the media anything coz they will crucify us. Silly boy

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    • August 10, 2014 at 12:35
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      @Luke ColdBlow10: This is the best post that I have read on this. Now we all just need to get over it and get back to winning football matches. IH has got us playing football, and got the fans proud of our team and club once again. Unfortunately he wants to change the image of the club, this can be achieved on the pitch in the way we play football and win matches, but he will never be able to change the fan base and the way they think. Now everyone has to forget about the comments and just get on with pushing Millwall forward.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 11:28
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    Let's get this straight!!! It's football? If any of them victims were in the stand they was doing ok considering what happened to them and if we knew they was there we would not have sang it weather it was Leeds, west ham, who ever but this Is football and we won't be the last club to sing them songs to Leeds either, so rather than making it out it's our club how About it's everyone in general

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  • August 10, 2014 at 12:33
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    Holloway your paid to manage the team not police the stands all you done is give the wxxxxxx a story

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  • August 10, 2014 at 12:34
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    Holloway your paid to manage the team not police the stands all you done is give the sun headlines they are capable of slagging us off without your help

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  • August 10, 2014 at 12:40
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    Well done holloway all you done is help the sun and all the other gutter papers write their headlines !!

    Paid to manage the team not police the stands we got the Gestapo in the stands ready to step in at the drop of a hat !

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  • August 10, 2014 at 13:51
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    Have to say I am really not comfortable with the Istanbul chant two people died, two people like ourselves who watch and support football. Yes other teams, in fact most teams, have chants that are disrespectful and hateful but can we not be above them? As we are all to aware with our reputation the press and media love to write about the negatives of our club and no matter how many positives we have they seldom make the papers. I think Ollie was wrong to bring it up in a press conference but by doing that it has made for a fascinating debate on the site and we are all much more aware of how he feels, I think however he could have done it 'in house' though, perhaps even through the NAD site. I was not happy either with the Jimmy Saville chant and would never sing it BUT after reading the argument for and against I am not that bothered now, as someone said it is aimed at the club not the victims, we are called a lot worse not only by opposition fans but by main stream press, and it could be, and has been, argued as just 'banter'.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 14:06
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    Looks like the same demonisation of the working class to me. Supporters of middle class friendly premiership clubs share that picture of Liam Gallagher with Savile whenever they play Man City, or do the usual racist stuff the rest of the time (like the Suarez case, which is 10 times worse than anything at Millwall in the last how ever many years), but the supporters aren't demonised for it. The middle class make a meal out of anything working class supporters do, or call them stupid. Always have done.

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    • August 10, 2014 at 14:09
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      @19jonny80: The middle class being the mainstream media.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 14:32
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    First own goal of the season scored by the boss of all people

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    • August 10, 2014 at 21:11
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      @SE11 Lion: im with you mate, love what ollie is trying to do on the pitch, but I cringe when he is interviewed. He says some stupid stuff and doesnt think! Someone should put a filter on his mouth. As for the songs being sung, it wasnt about the victims, I dont think anyone would be that heartless. It was purely about digging the leeds supporters out. I be all the politically correct people on here werent at london bridge with the Leeds scum shouting abuse and spitting as we walked passed, and where were they at south bermondsey when it kicked off on the platform, albeit they started and we finnished it. I have no sympathy for the leeds scum and ollie should know his place! We pay his wages

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  • August 10, 2014 at 15:18
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    @ALEX ALDRIDGE: having watched Ollie's interview on millwall player he only complements our fans,no mention of chanting. Football league show the same,this talk of Ollie's dislike of some of the chants only appears on your heading. Can you explain how you got that quote, did you actually ask that question ,or did he just come out with it.?

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  • August 10, 2014 at 15:56
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    Although I agree with what Ollie said, even I have to agree that saying it was a bit of a foot in mouth moment. Why draw media attention to it? We'll have to forgive him this one. It just comes with the territory with this manager and he's always been a bit too free with his comments. But the good far outweighs these occassional gaffes and I would rather have his superior coaching skills than Jackett's reliable quotes but dull football.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 16:29
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    Mug behaviour is de rigeuer in english footy grounds thats a sad fact, and we probably are as bad as most, i admire ih for pointing out how he felt but i dont think he'll do it again, he's probably learnt now how much the press love tearing into us , even more than he originally realised id say , i think we should forget about it and move on, its proving to be a bit too divisive on this forum .

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  • August 10, 2014 at 18:08
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    It was just a statement of fact after all " Jimmy Saville is one of your own" suck it up if your from Leeds it's true.

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  • August 10, 2014 at 18:30
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    I find some of the chants embarrassing but it's done to provoke a reaction, much I'm the same way a manager might send a player out on the pitch to wind an opposition player up in the hope he may respond by going OTT & get yellow/red carded. Ollie's employed by the club to manage things within his control and the supporters a NOT part that remit. Not only that but if he continues to criticise things the fans do he won't last long. Best he sticks to managing the team not the support!

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  • August 10, 2014 at 18:46
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    Since when has football been about respecting the opposition? Get in the real world Ollie! They'll get it at every ground they go to mate! Chill the f*** out! It's working class humour for a working class based club! Get over yourself!

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  • August 10, 2014 at 20:14
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    Well this has stirred up a hornets nest !!!

    I am gutted that after such a good performance..we again get negative headlines of our own making !

    Mr H this is your biggest faux pas to date and to be honest as a supporter I am deeply saddened by this...yes I was at the game yesterday and only heard one rumbling of instanbul , which was quickly drowned out which I thought was great...not a song I really like, however the He's one of your own song...it's not the fact of system de fix, that was despicable it was how he attached himself to leeds and was proud of it... And in my book a bit of harmless banter...however when Leeds play Man Utd they always sing about the Munich disaster and the Utd fans sing about Hillsborough to the scousers....how are you going to stop that...you won't unless you start throwing people out of grounds...good luck with that one....we have tried over the last few years to rid ourselves of the real hardcore trouble makers but I am sure the same now as before that when we go away we are subject to intimidation and songs about our parentage . Do we get the ump no we just get on with...it's part of the football game..like it or loathe it...I just don't think we should be shooting ourselves in the foot...Mr H just get on with managing the team ..rant over

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  • August 10, 2014 at 20:16
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    It's not the fact of what he did.......bloody auto thingy

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  • August 10, 2014 at 21:31
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    Firstly I thought the performance was excellent, more composed than I've seen from us down the den in yonks...which only goes to show what a great coach IH is....wonder what he could do with some more talent...the pitch was beautiful and seemingly impressed the opposition (their "president" questioning our groundsman and their head coach complimented it) which is another improvement seemingly largely down to Ollie. So he is changing the football style, the facilities and playing staff mentality...but trying to change our mentality/humour/passion is not going to work. The Saville chant is imho funny as f***, whilst also pointing out (subtly or not) that people turned a blind eye to his actions (one of ya own). If you don't like it Ollie DO ONE

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  • August 11, 2014 at 00:09
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    Wots next can't call charlton fans annaraks in case it offends trainspotters

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  • August 11, 2014 at 09:31
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    On a technical note i think the song that people are getting upset about was sung by the east upper, not the"he's one of your own " chant, i couldnt hear the words from block 4 but there was maybe 100 singing it all sfternoon

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  • August 11, 2014 at 13:48
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    You say you know what this club is about Olly you clearly don't no one singing on Saturday (three quarters of the ground ) condones paedophilia or anything that evil mad did , the leeds fans were much more concerned by the performance of their team and the worry of what the new owner may do to their beloved club than there were in songs aimed against them .
    Most Millwall fans are hard working open minded people (not racist ) ( not homophobic ) but like all clubs we have our fair share of idiots .
    So for you to make such a big deal out of this feeding the hate the media already shows us is at best naïve in future please think before you talk as we should all be talking about what fantastic things you are doing for our club and not this non story
    On a lighter note I for one will welcome Francesca Maloney back to our club it will be nice to have a decent bit of tottie down there for a change

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  • August 11, 2014 at 14:40
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    Kellie maloney she's one of our own .

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  • August 11, 2014 at 16:29
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    Something tells me we're gonna "get it" over this trannie maloney thing lol

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  • August 11, 2014 at 16:43
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    Not sure if anybody is aware of this chant from the Leeds fans which puts our mocking in prospective.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwk_hSVnlIc

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  • August 12, 2014 at 08:13
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    This is a definite own-goal by Ollie. I grant you he can be a right funny f**ker when I've listened to him pre & post match.... However, he would have received media training to deal with the press and his problem is he can't help but open his gob (Little Man syndrome comes to mind). I will rant & sing all I want at a game - I am the 12th (wo)man! I love the fact that other women and kids support this club but if you don't want to hear the swearing, go sit in the family section. Someone posted earlier that this typifies English humour... You're spot on there! That song is about having a dig at Leeds opening the door and letting that evil scumbag be associated with them. This kinda s**t is sung up & down the country but you foolishly and obviously didn't listen to what you were being asked and quite simply couldn't keep your trap shut!! Just do your job and deliver the results we expect or you'll find singing a frickin song will be the least of your worries sunshine....

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  • August 12, 2014 at 08:15
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    This is a definite own-goal by Ollie. I grant you he can be a right funny bugger when I've listened to him pre & post match.... However, he would have received media training to deal with the press and his problem is he can't help but open his gob (Little Man syndrome comes to mind). I will rant & sing all I want at a game - I am the 12th (wo)man! I love the fact that other women and kids support this club but if you don't want to hear the swearing, go sit in the family section. Someone posted earlier that this typifies English humour... You're spot on there! That song is about having a dig at Leeds opening the door and letting that evil scumbag be associated with them. This kinda thing is sung up & down the country but you foolishly and obviously didn't listen to what you were being asked and quite simply couldn't keep your trap shut!! Just do your job and deliver the results we expect or you'll find singing a song will be the least of your worries sunshine....

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    • August 12, 2014 at 14:44
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      @Lady_FM: Now that, gentleman, is a class comment from a real lioness. I cant believe so many people are being so prissy about a song! A person I might add that Leeds are proud of ffs (see Lennie the lion’s you tube tag). Lets have a reality check here: we are millwall not man u. we shop at pound land for our players not M&S, and I’m alright with that. What makes our club different, is the passion our players show on the pitch (sometimes) and the 12th man (us) which is shown ALL the time. Yes we have a reputation, but its that reputation that makes other teams dread coming to the Den. Please see you tube vid of Millwall vs Huddersfield town – Lee Clarke. I was at that game and despite an average performance, it was the fans that made the difference.

      I like Ollie as a manager, he has a good track record, and I think we were a bit lucky to get him! But off the pitch he is a total nob head. Read the mirror on Sunday and they take the p**s out of him even though he was putting us down. In a previous interview he stated friendlies are a waste of time, yet his reason for the team lagging in the second half was because they were tired, and it was due to not playing enough friendlies!!!! He’s been here 2 minutes and already hes giving it the “my club” bit, and telling the supporters what he wants them to be at “his club”. Yes I know its all of our club, but we as the supporters have earned the right to say that! We are Millwall for life, not just a contract! I wish people would pull their tongues out of his a** and realise that as passionate as he may seem to be, hes picking up a f*****g big pay check every week so he should make all the right noises.

      Ollie, do what you seem to be good at, manage the team! Get someone else to handle the media, and never be a judas and turn on the people who pay your wages. I don’t care if singing was right or wrong, you put us down to make yourself look like some demi-god

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  • August 14, 2014 at 19:34
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    What Lady_FM said.

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