Holloway holds his hands up after Reading win at Millwall

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IAN Holloway admitted his tactical gamble backfired after Millwall were beaten 3-0 by Reading at The Den.

With the Lions losing 1-0 to Pavel Pogrebnyak's opener, Holloway substituted centre back Mark Beevers and brought on striker John Marquis as he went in search of an equaliser.

But within six minutes of making that change, the Lions were 3-0 down and the result was a foregone conclusion.



Holloway had also swapped midfielder Josh Wright for frontman Jermaine Easter earlier in the second half, and conceded he had been too gung ho.

"I am happy to take that one on the chin," he said. "I ended up with five strikers on the pitch and I will never do that again.

"The team are not ready for that. I have told the players I will make some mistakes and hopefully everybody will see I'm trying to improve things.



"I tried to get us back in the game and that's why the scoreline was as bad as it was. I don't think my lads are ready for that.

"We need to get our structure right first – I need to nail down the second phase of things first and foremost. We became almost desperate."

Millwall fell behind when Stephen Bywater's fumble was pounced on by Pogrebnyak and Holloway said conceding such a soft goal had a psychological effect on his players.

"This is obviously the feeling we've experienced a lot at The Den this season and it's amazing how quickly it came back after the first goal went in," he said.

"The manner of the goal also didn't help because Reading had not done much and we had created the better chances up until that point.

"We needed to score, we didn't, and then all of a sudden we're 1-0 down. You could sense their structure and confidence.

"Unfortunately we were playing catch up against a really well organised side. Nigel Adkins has galvanised them and got them structured."

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193 thoughts on “Holloway holds his hands up after Reading win at Millwall

  • February 1, 2014 at 18:23
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    Not your fault, Ian. We didn't look like scoring at 0-1 down so we would have lost anyway - had to go for it. Our goal difference is nonredeemable anyway.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:57
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      @Alan.F: wrong - it is his fault - he puts the team on the park and chooses the formation - we were rubbish today; gone down hill since Ipswich - now we are rebullding again - it is a permanent crisis

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      • February 1, 2014 at 21:51
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        @timchimes: We weren't rubbish in the 1st half - the goal killed our confidence. It hasn't gone downhill since Ipswich either. Against them we were decent and I thought we did okay against an in-form Sheffield Wednesday, unlucky not to get 3 points. I think our 2nd half today was a blip, under IH, where we didn't get much luck & we played a team who were in the PL last season + were very clinical. It is not a permanent crisis. However, we do need to start scoring some goals because even though Charlton are s***, they won't lose every week.

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        • February 1, 2014 at 22:38
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          @Alan.F: I hope you are right - but I didn't think we did that well against Wednesday - we battled but could have conceded a few before we scored - it was patchy and disjointed at times -yes rubbish might be extreme in the first half , let's say ineffective -I do get the feel that there is another turning point coming - the new players have to bed in and actually show they are good enough - that's an if - I thought Williams looked nervous - he is stepping up a level and Upson comes from a losing team - Jackson hasn't scored this year - then we have the Macdonald thing and dealing with players like Feeney and Wright who just don't get the job done - I know IH needs time but you don't build confidence by being reckless and conceding another 3 goals - For all his charisma Holloway still has questions to answer -I felt like today we went backwards and as I say there are a lot of unknowns still to come - that's what I mean by crisis

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          • February 1, 2014 at 23:33
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            @timchimes: It was never going to be easy for IH and to be fair he's only had 4 games to find his preferred 11. The signings made are positive - Campbell/Jackson > Keogh, Fredericks > Dunne (who isn't better than Dunne though), Upson > Wright and Williams > Wright/Abdou. I think give it a few games and we'll develop a consistent lineup. Let's just hope everyone pulls their weight and our strikers start scoring some bloody goals.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 20:28
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      That kind of talk from the manager is not acceptable - he is paid shed loads of money to get it right from a selection and substitution perspective. If he had a West Ham connection people would be calling for his head - Lomas did not make a single match day blunder that even compared with his decision making and performance today - it was like badly managed schoolboy football. The players did not even know what they were supposed to be doing or where they were supposed to be playing - how can that be right?
      I am not convinced yet about the new signings either - if Williams has a left foot like a wand - he forgot to bring it with him - and he could not play CH in the Championship - he is not big enough and would be brushed aside.
      As for the other three small stature forwards we now have - DJ / Easter and jackson - none of them hold a candle to McD - who can actually play football - but seems to have fallen out with IH's EGO Trip.
      Morrison is a complete waste of time - considering his failed premier league pedigree - he was mates with Jackson at Norwich - they both sat on the bench all the time because they were not good enough at that level. Centre forwards are supposed to either score goals - or hold the ball up - or win it in the air - he has none of these skills consistantly. Agreed Trotter needed to go - but why without a replacement for today - Wright is not good enough on his own at this level.
      Its the worst performance on the pitch and from the dugout that I have seen for many a year.
      IH needs to walk the talk a bit

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      • February 1, 2014 at 20:59
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        @crow191049: I agree with you totally (except the options for worst performance are many this year)

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      • February 1, 2014 at 22:10
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        @crow191049: i agree with some of your points it was school boy stuff and i am worried about the fall out with players if bailey has been dropped and the macdonald stuff , cant say the others are any better yet , what gets me is the josh wright thing , cant see it , hope he aint a teachers fav cos bailey and jimmy look a lot better even half fit

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      • February 2, 2014 at 11:47
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        @crow191049: If you think that's the worst performance you have seen for many years you were obviously not at the "Borough game"!!
        Apart from that I think I am with you!!
        At the moment our aim is solely to survive the drop, that's all just survive. Then all things being equal we can begin to gel into a side which plays and complements each other.
        Either way it's going to be extremely difficult as we will again be relying on others results to enable our existence in this division.

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    • February 3, 2014 at 08:18
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      @Alan.F: I would have thought that he must take most of the blame for the performance, what with the trip to Portugal to get players fit and working on game plans, the fact that he ebded up with 4 front men after going 1 nil down and most of the time it ending up being 5 with Martin joining the other 4 for the remainder of the match, this left us with NO MIDFIELD so what would you expect to happen "constant pressure" .

      The only thing he never tried was to play Bywater as rush goaliee, strange tactics all roun wright could not find a millwall player with his passing the fowards again firing blanks, no one in the middle winning the ball and using it well, one good thing was that Williams looks half decent both in the middle and when he droped back for Beveers.

      Still a major work in progress with 2 hard away games coming up and time running out, £26,000 a week for DJ is looking a very exspensive gamble by the club, as JM 2 teams sent him back from div 2 so why would anyone think he can cut in the Championship.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:29
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    thats fair enough, he said he would admit to his mistakes , and has been big enough to do it.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:04
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      @bordersarebest0170:

      Exactly. I for one would rather have a manager confident enough to take chances and man enough to take responsibility for it if it backfires.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:29
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    I guess I'll take that 30 quid ticket on the chin too then

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:31
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    well done ollie , for holding your hands up , i was shocked to see them tatics i have been to thousands of games and never never seen that , and dont ever want to again , must shut up shop away in next game where was bailey ,

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:33
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    There's going to be a few more nights like this until the shower of s**** that he inherited are finally put out of their misery.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 12:26
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      @NICKOLA:

      Six million dollar question, is whether or not we can get through the last of those nights in time to save us from the drop.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:38
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    When your near the bottom it's not the time to go mental & panick.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 18:43
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      @block 28: He didn't do that when we were 0-1 down against a lesser team (Ipswich) so why do it against a free scoring side like Reading. He is indeed the Mental One.

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      • February 1, 2014 at 18:51
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        @Sealion: Sheffield , one down

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      • February 1, 2014 at 18:54
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        @Sealion: I might be loosing the plot but when was we 0-1 down to Ipswich with Ollie in charge ?

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        • February 1, 2014 at 19:12
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          @TrueLion: Your right TL I meant SW I'm losing the plot too.

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        • February 1, 2014 at 19:25
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          @TrueLion: it was wednesday we trailed 1-0...but like me probably a bht p*ssed

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      • February 1, 2014 at 19:17
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        @Sealion: I meant Wednesday, the brain cell is playing up again.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 18:50
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      @block 28: spot on..olly should know how to deal with pressure ..he has had to deal with the premiership...maned up respect...but got to sort the keeper out....

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:38
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    @joemillwall" yeah thats right mate, take it on the chin like the rest of us. you support millwall through thick and thin, you pay to watch millwall, if they do well its a bonus, thats just the way it is,no gaurentee's.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:43
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    No worries Ollie, not your fault the team is incapable.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:47
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    Fair enough for admitting your mistake, but the concern for me is not one of the many strikers we had out there today would have scored even if we were still playing now.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:48
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    We've got to be patient. IH has been here 3 weeks and inherited a squad in total disarray. He's not yet been able to start a match with all of his new signings and I daresay will be adding 1 or 2 more new faces when the loan window opens. I must admit I was shocked to see a midfield with Wright alongside new signing Williams who will need a more experienced head to play alongside him to settle at this higher level. This is still a work in progress and I can remember us getting worse before we got better when George Graham arrived and made wholesale changes. Right now is where we the fans come in, we need to have faith in the manager and keep backing the team whatever the score (as much as I hate to say it, like those nauseating sods at palace, just not as camp). If the roles were reversed today we would have been expecting a Millwall team chasing a play off spot and scoring goals for fun to win at a side 4th from bottom and rebuilding mid-season. Other results went our way, now we need to try and grind out a point at Burnley and go for the win at Yeovil before we face Bolton back at The Den. Chins up, keep on fighting til the last ball is kicked. COYL

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    • February 1, 2014 at 18:57
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      @mervpayne: that is the attitude, but putting all the strikers on gives the signal that he doesn't trust the players to work their way back into games through disciplined play and that undermines their confidence - IH needs to be careful - talk is cheap

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    • February 1, 2014 at 20:14
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      @mervpayne: Fair point abour George Graham, it certainly got worse before it got better.

      I don't doubt Holloway will get us playing more attractive football, but I think he needs to take a leaf out of Graham's book and get the defence sorted first. We've conceded way more than anyone else and yet only one of the new players brought in is a defender. Hopefully he'll get it right and keep us up, but I think a lot also rests on there being at least three worse teams than us.

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      • February 2, 2014 at 10:55
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        @Micky Lions: @Micky Lions: dont think the defence had nothing to do with that result , felt they looked good till ollie made the changes ok keeper messed up , not defenders fault , the problem is ego , the team yesterday is so unbalanced now then ever , our best players are gone or not in the side , come on do me a favour josh wright and fenney , who next smith felt sorry for shittu he was left up s*** creek yesterday with those tatics if josh wright is fitter than bailey and jm and easter are better than macdonald we are bang in trouble

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    • February 2, 2014 at 14:15
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      @mervpayne: well said merv, the subs were reckless but this is not ollys team and he needs more support than he got from the crowd yesterday, i know we didnt have much to shout about but this is a fragile bunch of players and we need to be their twelth man

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:51
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    Beavers and Shittu cannot play together both lack pace, Shittu was solid again but wasn't helped much by his keeper (who was given a great confidence boost after that mistake by being booed by his own fans at every touch)

    Midfield was lightweight (I think too many changes affected us) could of done with Baily? or a fit Chapplow

    really need a right mid because the boys up front will get us goals if the service is there

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    • February 1, 2014 at 18:54
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      @seanmfc: so who would you have instead then? Lowry is slow, Robinson is slow and Williams is better off at center mid. Beevers did well today.

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      • February 1, 2014 at 19:08
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        @harryfabian:
        I don't have the answer but having conceded the most goals in the league that clearly has to be addressed if we are to improve

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:03
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      @seanmfc: I've given up on chaplow ; he is always injured - that's why we have got him - I know changes were forced by Keogh and trotter but we don't have any consistency with team selection - Reading have started the same 11 for 6 game running and it shows - IH has to pick his team next week and stick with it - put Williams in with shittu and upson in the mid and give it 5 games - we need 20 pts

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:30
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      @seanmfc: I thought the booing and singing west ham c**t at bywater was very harsh and counter productive, Just as well they dont sing the west ham thing at fordey or he'd be off sharpish.

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      • February 1, 2014 at 19:50
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        @>Eightieswall< well what do you expect when you make basic mistakes in nearly every game he has appeared in its not the fact he was west ham it is the fact that he is s*** how can't you see that is beyond me

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        • February 1, 2014 at 22:19
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          @block 28: They were singing west ham c**t. So it has got something to with being west ham. Bailey gives the ball away but dont get charlton c**t yelled at him. I agree he is s*** but you could say that about a few players in our team but they dont get the stick others do.

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          • February 1, 2014 at 23:14
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            >Eightieswall I've heard people call players scotch welch Irish bald fat ginger & short c***. But nothing gets said. So why whing about being called vermin.get over it

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      • February 3, 2014 at 00:01
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        @Eightieswall: forde was snapped up by the vermin scum when he was lot younger...but he NEVER played a single game ..so he flew back home to ireland..

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:53
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    Holloway is still new to the job and still finding out about our squad. Up to this point he identified weaknesses and bad apples and addressed it by moving players on and bringing new hungry players in. He now knows heads still go down very quick upon mistakes made by our players, he will react again accordingly first thing back on the training ground.

    How refreshing is it though to hear our manager raises his hands up and admits his mistakes as oppose to previous managerial regime which would blame the weather, ref, pitch, 4th official or indirectly the board because he would want to bring in more unfit players to lumber around the pitch ineffectively.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:54
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    Good to see you admit to your (massive) mistake in putting so many strikers on.

    Learn from it and don't try a move like that again!

    At 1-0 with 20mins left we were well in the game still and it was totally unnecessary to do what you did.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 18:57
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    @mervpayne" good sensible post merv, this is how its gonna be for a time while ollie sorts it. but i'm convinced it will come good before the end of the season,and we will stay up.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:41
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      @bordersarebest0170: It's a shame, but in the end it's only one game. We have the basis now, so not a worry. Ollie will make us all jolly.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:03
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    The problem is that we never looked like scoring, there was nothing between the sides in the first half until agent byewater slung one in, it was a bit ridiculous with the substitutions but i don't think it altered the result and our goal difference is hardly worth defending ! I must say one critical thing and that was josh wright, I'm one of the few that like him and I think he can play but he was truly awful today I hope he gets the chance to atone because we need someone who can pass the ball in midfield, don't know if fatty bailey is injured or out of favour but if he isn't in contention the midfield is limited and this is a manager who wants to pass the ball .

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:12
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      Good news, Forde should be playing against Burnley as will the new additions Upson and Jackson. We might get a draw now

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      • February 1, 2014 at 19:16
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        @Dazi: bye bye Bywater.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:18
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    Ollie holds his hands up.............Bywater should hold his hands up , stand there and catch the f#cking ball , it's his profession after all !

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:28
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      @Block 8: @Block 8: @Block 8: Yes completely basic errors - our play is not going to get better much in the short term I fear - ultimately Upson cost £100,000 not 2 million and DJ and Jackson didn't sore a goal all season for their previous clubs - we aren't talking world beaters - I find it very worrying that we can't go more than 2 games without talking about some total shock to our confidence

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      • February 1, 2014 at 19:49
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        @Jim28: @timchimes: What we need is a big ugly target man like a Hendo who can really let the opposing defense know he's there and perhaps our little fast strikers will have something to feed off. Morison works hard but no way is he a target man. At the moment it is just too easy to force our players off the ball. All our strikers are relatively short compared to the average height of a defender so if we persist in playing wingers who is going to get on the end of the crosses, thats if any of our so called wingers can learn how to cross a ball.

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        • February 1, 2014 at 20:06
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          @Sealion: wot like SORDELL..ha ha ha

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        • February 1, 2014 at 20:07
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          @Sealion: yes - rather as with lomas we don't have a settled way of playing - we still can't keep the ball - as soon as something goes wrong we lose all discipline and patience , we just get the ball forward quickly and lose it - these better teams punish us easily- every time we play a top side they score 3 or 4 - I really hope I am wrong but I can't see Upson and Williams giving us control of the midfield; they are rather inexperienced - we still need a boss on the pitch

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:29
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      @Block 8: On his showing so far probably the worst keeper we have had at Millwall. We have always been strong in that position unless I have forgotten someone.

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      • February 1, 2014 at 19:54
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        @Sealion:
        The plank of wood that was Pat Cuff lumbers into mind.

        There have also been more horrendous idiots but they usually came and went pretty sharpish. Cuff just stood there for an entire season.

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        • February 3, 2014 at 00:26
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          @The Humble One: pat cuff used to entertain the CBL. And you know how hard that was...

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:27
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    We need Forde back sharpish...

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    • February 2, 2014 at 08:22
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      @Captain Morgan: if holloway sticks to his policy of your out if you don't sign a contract we need two goalkeepers. If he lets Forde play he makes a mockery of his stance. Every goalkeeper I've watched at the Den this season have been as good and maybe better than our two. So there must be one out there we could get on loan.

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      • February 2, 2014 at 12:29
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        @markbrowns: sometimes in life you say things.

        I fear that IH has no alternative, because we will not get two keepers in that's for sure.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:28
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    We say bye bye Bywater but is there a keeper out there for loan ? ( not defending Bywater )

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:50
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      @TrueLion: stick Zampa in goal, big paws of his should be able to catch a ball.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:38
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    Good to see the subs but the inevitable collapse was there for all to see,Morrison is playing crap half hearted defo not the player he was the only way he can play is ball into channels Ollie needs to realise this .
    No outstanding performances today and as for bywater poor mistake started the rot,wright was off the pace where was jimmy today,!
    80 mile round trip plus all the normal expenses hope wall players read this and up there game sadly disappointed

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:40
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    Dont worry olly, didn t matter what you did, the game at that point was only going 1 way. Neither team deserved any thing and I cant see how on earth reading are in the top 6!?!? They hoofed it more than us. The major turning point was Bywater shouting " keepers" and then fumbling to gift them a goal. Mountain climb after that. Please learn from ur mistakes Bywater!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:46
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    Sorry to say, for me, today Ollie got it wrong. I know he has admitted he got the subs wrong, but for me his selection was wrong. Before the match, as has become his routine in the execs, he stood up and explained his selections. He was very candid (a bit too much to be honest) and said that Jimmy was not playing because his distribution is not good enough for the way he wants us to play. We all know that Jimmy is not the best of passers but for my money you sometimes need to be pragmatic. We lost in midfield today, Jimmy would of at least competed. Williams looked tidy enough, Woolford was our best player today IMO . Wright is not good enough nor is Feeney. Sometimes you need to play to the strengths of your resources until such time as you have the players the play the way you want.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:55
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      @Adsy77777: tottally agree about losing in midfield. Needed a battler in there

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    • February 1, 2014 at 19:57
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      @TrueLion: @Jim28: @Adsy77777: Totally agree he did get it wrong. I think its better to stay in a game and try to nick a result but the substitutions killed us. But fair enough Olly held his hands up and he is the boss and he carries the can. Personnel wise he is learning what we know some players are not up to this level but he either as to get the best from them or move them on. Interested about the cooments about Jimmy however I always think we are a better team with Jimmy present and if you are chasing a game Jimmy will always give you cover.

      It's early days but games are running out and we need results

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    • February 1, 2014 at 20:13
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      @Adsy77777:

      totally right assessment

      - jimmy could have possibly allowed Williams to play - you can't pass if you haven't got the ball - perhaps jimmy in with Upson and Williams and Jackson wide

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      • February 1, 2014 at 20:27
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        @timchimes: Not saying that Jimmy is a long term solution but he certainly has more to offer than Wright even if it means Olly delaying his dreams of total football til he has the players available. Upson IMO is a very good player, but he and Williams will need a ball winner with them. Does anyone know where Bailey was today by the way?

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        • February 1, 2014 at 21:12
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          @Adsy77777: @timchimes:
          yes at least jimmy can do two things: run and get the ball back - Wright can't do anything
          yes the bailey absence is another millwll mystery - he was god enough to start against Wednesday but now isn't around - then there is the mac situation - it goes on and on - this could all get very messy again - where is this team spirit from portugal

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    • February 2, 2014 at 12:34
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      @Adsy77777: I agree with your comments. IMO Abdou should have played alongside Williams not wright. He wins the ball, plays it simple to Williams who then distributes via the magic wand.

      Also Martin should have been selected instead of feeney, I just think he has a little more about him.

      Simple really innit?

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  • February 1, 2014 at 19:49
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    Josh wright why don't you stop playing at being a footballer and pursue your natural talent of being a rent boy. Damiral it's your round

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    • February 1, 2014 at 20:22
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      @mfcmike: I didn't notice him playing at being a footballer. Gave a new meaning to TOWIE - The Only Way is Exit!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:04
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    Many issues out there today. Firstly, I thought that before Reading scored, lions were clearly on top but after the awful blunder by Bywater, heads dropped. But where was the captain, he carried on doing his Peter Kaye distribution method 'ave it'. He is not equipped to captain a team. Secondly, in the warm up, todays reserve keeper was in the goal and I have to say, he looked useless. Thirdly, after IH made the strange decision to bring another striker on for Beevers, it was so obvious that the players had absolutely no idea of what their formation or shape was meant to be. Several of them went over to the technical area holding their arms out. Now I have every confidence that IH will turn this club around but the players need to realise that when they walk on the pitch, they have to produce, adapt, understand, challenge, the list is endless.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 23:12
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      @Chipplefuddywick: Rubbish Danny was our best player by a mile and was doing most of the work from the back, where was Morison?

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      • February 1, 2014 at 23:33
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        @Peckhamlad: I agree that Morison was awful but while you saw Shittu as being our 'best' player, he was the best of a poor lot and what he did not and cannot do is lead.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:05
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    Time, time, time. Trust, there are 3 teams worst than us. Holloway will work this out, if it had come off today we would all be thinking Holloway is GOD. He knew the game was lost and tried, brave decision. He will get it right. Again Time, trust.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 20:17
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      @hernebaylion: @Chipplefuddywick: don't be so sure about 3 worse - my friend ,a good judge of football, watched Barnsley on the internet today and said they played really well today with 10 men - unlucky to lose - any way , what a negative way to look at it

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      • February 1, 2014 at 20:22
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        @timchimes: I'm not being negative, how many did Barnsley win by? My point is to give Holloway time and space because I think he has 3 or 4 games to get it right.

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        • February 1, 2014 at 20:35
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          @hernebaylion: don't mean to sound personal about it because I wasn't - sorry -- what I meant was it shouldn't matter what other teams get up to - we have to take care of our own business as a club and we are still struggling with spirit and confidence from the players and supporters and I don't think it can be good when people say it was worth a gamble putting all the strikers on because the game was already lost, at 1-0 - how can you ever accept you will lose at 1-0. I suppose I am frustrated like a lot of people because we have made no progress over the last few weeks and there are only so many weeks in which the bottom teams will keep losing. regards

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          • February 1, 2014 at 21:23
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            @timchimes: Ok you are right there only so many weeks in which the bottom teams will keep losing, that includes us. My point was that we do have a bit of time to get it right. We all had faith in Jacket even the last year being difficult for him, none of us had any confidence in Lomas, but the board have worked all that out and given Holloway the chance to put our team where we all wan't to be. Try get it wrong, understand why you got it wrong move on. I'm confident it will get better and we will stay in this division and move on next season. Kind regards.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:06
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    what f…u…c..k…e…..d.. me off was seeing that plank bywater smiling his face of during most of the game. he's stealing his wages useless prat! couldn't catch a cold he cost us today big time! every game he drops or can't catch the ball, basics of keeping.,, an absolute melt!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:18
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    It was dire to day how wright makes a living being a footballer is beyond me.Watched Bywater laugh most of the game clearly he does not give a damm about Millwall.

    Good luck Ollie hope you can turn this around

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:36
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    Well the holloway honeymoon came to an abrupt end today, but to be honest with the worst defence in the football league and an attack that that could play until Christmas and not score I'm surprised it has lasted this long. Today was dreadful and in response to the above comment he was seen in a curry house recently quoted that he doesn't like playing at millwall, no surprise really being an eastend sl@g, good luck mr holloway, I'm millwall till I die but trust me that was not what I expect to watch on a Saturday after busting my balls all week at work. Oh and by the the way,anyone ever come across a winger who can't beat a defender and cross a ball either, let me introduce you to mr feeney! I'm. Off for a beer.... And I think I need one!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:40
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    I'm sorry Ollie,it wasn't just the subs, it was evreything..the whole game I was trying to work out who played where. There was more shape on a straight line than there was in our team today
    Poor Williams looked like a lost sheep and what the hell was Walford doing. I know its early days but the season is ruuning out.
    The football was shocking today and if we continue to play like that then we can kiss goodbye to this league. I still think you have iy in you to keep us up and I hope that Upson and Jackson work, especially Jackson I wanted him two seasons ago. Please stop the hoofball.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:46
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    Good on ya ollie.
    isnt it nice to have a man in charge. He's already said he wont be doing that again and hindsight is a wonderful thing so no ovious b******* from me in terms of why, what if, but, we were in the same position on tuesday ect ect . I'm happy with the fact he see we were in trouble and decided to take a risk, dangerous, but fare play at least you tried something.
    we move on to burnley with hopefully a fit forde a fit bailey who was ordered to do training today along with mcdonald and two new signings to make their debuts. Unfortunately we lack in defence which we've known for some time but good one's cost an awful lot of money so we now enter our dredded loan window fingers crossed it doesnt go the same way as last season.
    Chin up ollie

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    • February 1, 2014 at 21:25
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      @lukesmithmfc: the training for bailey makes sense - he isn't lasting games - our problems are huge though - I thought against Ipswich I detected an organisation and sprit and will to win we hadn't had before but with al the transfer window stuff it seems to have split the camp again - I think we are getting very tired of this shambles of a season

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  • February 1, 2014 at 20:55
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    When Ollie took Beevers off for Marquis I saw Shittu say 'What's he doing?'. The same thought crossed my mind Danny. We couldn't handle their 'big russian b******' with two centre backs. Everything reading did today came through him holding the ball up. I can't help but think a more street wise manager would have had someone kicking him up in the air. Let's make no mistake about it we are in a battle.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 21:34
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    IH played Smith a few games ago and found him wanting so hasn't included him since. Hopefully he will have learnt the same lesson with Feeney and Wright today and this is the last we will see of them as well. Even if Forde is fit next week IH needs to bring in a better reserve keeper than Bywater to cover for him. With 5 new faces to blend into the team and maybe more to come during the loan window we are running out of time and I fear it will be too late to avoid relegation unless we can put a winning run together like Middlesborough have since they beat us before Xmas.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 21:36
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    Reading six games same team.

    When did we play the same line up six times? 1992?

    We also got lucky with the results so let's move on, it's going to a long haul, I expect this season to go to the last game! I have faith in Holloway, anyhow is there a choice ?

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  • February 1, 2014 at 21:44
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    Is Bywater actually getting paid? Please someone tell me that he is doing for charity, at least that would give me some consolation. If the balls goes into the air and he is under I'm literally waiting for him to drop it, I believe we are in the championship, surely this can not be the best goalkeeper we can muster up. For his sake he conceded 4 whilst playing for west ham and got sent off that game was literally his best performance for Millwall and should have ended there.

    Yes, Ollie chased the game but that goal left every supporter and every wall player thinking oh here we go again, we can not afford goals like that. The second goal reminded me of 20 we conceded at the start of the season but we had just taken beevers off and no one knew what they were doing.

    Like Ollie has said if we are to play formations like that to chase games we need to work on them in training first.

    Unfortunately I see nothing but relagation and it pains me to say it. It will not stop me going and getting behind the lads and maybe just maybe we beat the drop.

    No one likes us, we don't care.

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    • February 1, 2014 at 23:02
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      @dragonflymfc:

      CORRECT DRAGON what worries me is that Holloway didn't see this coming with Bywater - you could see against Ipswich that he couldn't deal with any high balls and we hung on and against Wednesday he nearly dropped one in the net - action is needed - who knows if Forde's injury will flare up again, then what?

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  • February 1, 2014 at 21:51
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    the one comment I will make about todays game,. is that the difference between the two teams being reading are still very much involved financially in the parachute payments of around 60 million pounds per season coming there way, only being relegated last year themselves,have been able to keep hold of quality proven footballers who played at premier league level.we on the other hand do not have that luxury at our disposal and are going through a transition of players who are bought at the lower levels of the league its our cap and it fits.there is no guarantee we will survive this season.i would settle right now for ending up in the same position at the end of last season .and let ih work his magic.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 21:52
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    Glad that mistakes out of the way!!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 22:17
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    I have been following on here for while and only found time to sign up today.

    I moved to New Zealand 11 years ago but still follow the mighty WALL... first thing I do on a Sunday morning (late sat night UK time) is look up the result or if I up fount the game streaming live on line somewhere.

    I haven't been back home for a while but when I do I make sure I get to a few games....I even came all the way back for the playoff final's a few years back....quite a way to watch a football game....!!! I haven't seen anyone else in NZ on here but see there is someone in Australia commenting.

    IH has a plan. We need to realise that it will take some time BUT he also needs to know it will take time as well...

    Todays game, I haven't seen it but from all the comments sounds like it was dreadful....

    Firstly IH stood and said he made a mistake....(5 strikers) is a mistake from anyone.... But as I said not many managers would stand up in front of the Players / the Board and the supporters (especially Millwall Supporters) and say he got it wrong....that shows GUTS.......

    He is a notable manager, and now he is ours.......Lets get behind him. let him get the team where he wants it to be over the next few weeks with his new players in and hopefully some players back from Injury....

    As I haven't seen the game I cant comment on today...But the BYEwater guy needs to go... I have seen a few games with him in goal...and you just hold your breath every time the ball comes his way... If he has been heard saying he doesn't want to play for us the do has your name say's and say BYE BYE....

    He seem to be a great keeper growing up....now he is just turning up for training and getting paid.... Its this type of player we need to get rid of. even worse when he is your Goalkeeper. If he is laughing through the game after making a simple mistake then he doesn't give a SH1T......if he had stood there put his hands up and made up for it giving 100% then you give the guy a break...everyone makes mistakes but if not then leave.

    On that note I have seen a few Great keepers down here in NZ......maybe someone should come down and have a look....some great young players and coaching going on all over.

    I did wish MILLWALL had signed Chris Woods,
    1. because I thought he was worth it and
    2. because Millwall where on Sport News every week when he played for us.

    Just as a side note the NZ team in A league (Wellington Phoenix) Paul Ifill has been playing for for a few years now (he is injured at the moment) and also talking so much about Goal Keepers they also had DENZIEL (Tony Warner) a couple of seasons back to...... Denziel give us a wave, Denxeil Denziel Give us a wave.....

    We have been through worse and came out the other side...We will get through this now and with movement in the Summer we will be a solid team moving forward....

    IH will guide us to safety and then get is in the top half next season, and maybe close to the top....

    MILLWALL in Premiership for 2015 / 2016 ( we can dream )....

    COYL

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      • February 1, 2014 at 22:37
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        @hernebaylion: a little long winded I know....but it was my first post....

        from now on will be short and sweet....

        Let um come, let um come, let um come, Let um all come down to the DEN

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        • February 1, 2014 at 22:41
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          @Kiwimillwall: Is it Sunday already. Nice and warm I suspect. Keep the faith.
          MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

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    • February 2, 2014 at 17:20
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      @Kiwimillwall:
      Welcome Kiwiwall.
      Enjoyed your first post.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 22:28
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    Slightly off subject. I thought Frederick's crossing was diabolical again today. It's either over hit or looped aimlessly too near the keeper. That doesn't help our frontline at all as it gives them nothing to attack and get on the end of.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 22:32
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    Beginning to wonder if we have got Stanley Holloway rather than Ian...

    Yon lion's eaten our Albert

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  • February 1, 2014 at 22:38
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    Actually, another team lost today puttingt five strikers on the pitch....they were Rooney, Van Persie, Wellbeck, Hernadez and Mata (Ok not a true striker)....and as a result that whole team looked chaotic. Worrying that IH could make such a radical, bizarre, out-of-left-field move. Every time Jacket attempted to go from a losing five-man midfield to three strikers (and sometimes at home!) we invariably never managed to recover the game.

    IH has to instil structure, confidence, method and know-how into a squad that is basically not good enough for this division. It is way too early for such radical experiments. This defence has shipped over 50 goals....that is the area he needs to start changing. We don't have a centre-back pairing good enough for this league. I am still reserving judgment on Holloway because he has said and done some of the things I wanted: got rid of lazy unfit players who don't care about wearing our shirt. So let's hope him losing the plot was a one-game abberation. We have to stay in this division.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 22:38
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    I always feared IH's chat! Bit of a clown and everyone loves him. But can he save Millwall this season?.......Im not so sure! Like the signinings Friday but I fear they are the "Best of a bad bunch" which makes them shine! Stick them in the Championship and all of a sudden, very average. Good luck boys. I think its about time we had a bit of luck!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 22:48
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    Defence needs work! No-one out there who I can think of that can hold the line and be happy on our payroll? Any thoughts? Be realistic! League 1 maybe!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 23:21
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    Night then?!

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  • February 1, 2014 at 23:25
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    I sat near the Millwall dug out, and I was looking at IH he was prancing about drinking copious amounts of water, not exacly calm as was the Atkins. I thought he got it all wrong was surprised that he left out Jimmy in favour of Williams who did little for me. We were overun in midfield and thank heavens at least the back four held up most of the first half with Danny a mountain in defence. DJ was running all over the place, he need someone to feed off, and that someone is not Morison who IMO was our worst player. I see him pull out of a tackle he could have won. Feeney has pace but again when he runs with the ball there is no support, Ryan did so a couple of times and put over a few crosses but were not accurate. We lack height up front and their back four were all over 6ft. It was a hard task against a well disciplined and organised reading side who have some quality players. The gulf is there to see. IH has a lot of work to do but he too has to put his own house in order. A little less with the mouth and a bit more with the brain.

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  • February 1, 2014 at 23:35
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    Cant understand why people keep backing the no2 goalie..dont matter he come from the darkside..HE IS A S*** KEEPER...END OF

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  • February 2, 2014 at 00:14
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    A few things I need to get off my chest:-
    1) Where was the passion and commitment today??

    2) Would loved to have heard IH half time team talk, coz whatever he said it didn't work. Today was a tale of two half's, we were s*** in the first and f****** s*** in the second.

    3) Team selection:-
    Bywater should be sacked. His best game for Millwall will always be the one where he played for the hamsters. Surely we must have a better no 2 than him. Our no 2 is s***.

    Josh Wright can f*** off to Leyton Orient / TOWIE land.

    Scott McDonald. A player who has a good first touch, can hold the ball up well and has plenty of championship experience is now lower in the pecking order than Marquis. Wipe the s*** out of your eyes IH.

    Liam Feeney. A joke against Sheff Weds and even worse day, why did he start??

    For a man who likes passion and commitment why is our no.26 the 36th player on your team sheet?

    4) Most worrying of all is look how palace have done since IH left! The mummy's boys have gone from relegation certainties to potential safety very quickly. IH admitted he lost the dressing room at palace but makes our lot sign up to his code of practice>>>>The honeynoon is over Ollie, lets hope history doesn't repeat itself.........

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    • February 2, 2014 at 01:37
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      @SingleWhiteLion: I was beginning to think that I was the only one who wasn't completely bowled over by his appointment. We need someone to get us out of the s*** before we talk about what playing style we will be adopting. Pullis has worked with mainly the same players Ollie had and has got more out of them. He has them organised, playing football in the right areas.. Knocking it about at the back is fine if you have the players to do it. Yes he lifted the club when he arrived but that will wear off very quickly if we don't start winning matches. Tactically and personnel wise he got it all wrong today. A more pragmatic manager would look at what we've got and make the best of it. Some of our players are not good enough to play a passing., pressing game and we need to find a way to get results, quick. Let's hope the new boys hit the ground running. COYL

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      • February 2, 2014 at 02:25
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        @Adsy77777: everyooe one was saying wot a boss we got...i cant see how or why he change the formation..the last time i saw this was on blackheath on a sunday...look to me & the fanpv asound me that he conceded defeat from the start......A DISGRACE

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        • February 2, 2014 at 08:50
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          @Jim28: its early days, everyine eulogised about Pulis but forget he lost a few games before his team settled. We shouldn't expect miracles so soon. Day after the transfer window closed so of course the squad was disrupted, and so was the team. I doubt Wright will start again now that Upson is here, I also think it is clear that IH wants players to be able to play in multiple positions, butt our lads clearly aren't ready for that style yet. 4 strikers and non of them really knew how to play in any othet position other than up front.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 08:30
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    I think IH has an ideal that he wants to achieve here but he might be starting that ideal from league one if it takes too long. IMO we need to invest in quality defenders to stop the goals against before we try to win games with 5 forwards. We just don't have strong reliable defenders in the squad and I would say we need at least two additions who are capable of closing the door. I personally would settle for a couple of 0-0 draws and get the defence right before we start trying to bombard the opposition with numbers up front. The Italians were masters of closing up shop. Perhaps IH should look to Italy for new defenders!

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  • February 2, 2014 at 08:36
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    I think you might see a different setup over the next few games. But lets be honest, IH has been here five minutes in the scheme of things, inherited a pile of crap and has brought in some new players. Gonna take some time so there will be some worrying times ahead, but I think we will stay up, and move on next year.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 08:52
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    I,m starting to worry about the IH show it seems more about him than Millwall i felt against Sheff Wed we looked bad in 1st half better in 2nd half but yesterday a shambles why start Wright ? and why Feeny he was rubbish tuesday when he came on and where is Macdonald ? Hollaway you are not here to make everyone laugh but to sort our team out no more silly coments just get on the training ground and sort this shambles out . COYL

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    • February 2, 2014 at 09:26
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      @aylesfordlion:
      Yes I agree 100% too. I have just re-read on here the comments he made after the bottle throwing incident and at various times he states that he would have picked it up and drunk it, seriously (I think not) and then goes on to mention his deaf daughters and kids with leukaemia. Whats that got to do with a t*** trowing a bottle on the pitch??

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  • February 2, 2014 at 08:59
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    Bad mistake by Bywater again, he was lucky on Tuesday when he juggled the ball on his line but yesterday his mistake started the collapse. Shame as rest of the game he played well.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 09:23
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    Yes,i liked the chat from Holloway but now he is with us i worry he talks too much.No,i wasn't someone going mad when he took over so i'm not backtracking.Anyone taking over has got massive probs because of the quality we have and i'm not saying he cannot do it, but, to stick on 5 forwards is a panic sign and i thought he would be too experienced to do that ? Worry ? Talk the talk is over,cut out what the fans and press want to hear and stay in the background.
    Wears his heart on his sleeve i know but heads down now. Not being negative just the way i see things.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 09:37
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    I am worried tha Holloway is doing the same thing as Lomas, bringing in a number of players, disrupting the side, no plan or structure of play, making daft decisions and talking too much. Lomas was castagated for bringing in a large number of players to quickly but at least he did hang on to Trotter. Now we have lost our best midfielder with no obvious replacement. Bailey and McDonald have been left out and there appears to be some animosity between them and the manager already. How long will the honeymoon period last? I hope IH can sort it out given time but just wish he would get off his ego trip.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 09:46
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    Just to say i really want things to work out for IH i like him but please Ian pick a team and stick with it and get Macdonald involved his a good player. COYL

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  • February 2, 2014 at 10:54
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    Think IH is right to take blame for yesterday, when I heard the team I wanted to go home! Midfield was to lightweight against a good team.
    As for bringing on marquis to get us a goal against a well organised defence, it's more crazy than giving him a new contract!!!
    And as for that t***** in goal..........
    Anyone know when Chaplow is back, really need his quality in midfield now Trotter gone.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 10:56
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    Really good comments on this topic, whatever happens stay tight and consolidate. Mighty millwall, blue n white "OUR COLOURS DONT RUN"

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    • February 2, 2014 at 11:48
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      @grassgrower: yes mate wall stick together COYL

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  • February 2, 2014 at 11:50
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    well the inquest,s on ollie,s decision,s have started,just remember ollie does not think think like other people,he doe,s spur of the moment thing,s he doe,s the unorthodox thing,s but then we knew that before he came,so let,s keep our nerve and im sure we will be ok in the end.
    All i ask is more performance,s like the one against Ipswich,all effort.
    untill bywater,s mistake thing,s were pretty even,bad mistake by him ,but then i made it he made 3 good blocks with his body,so let,s be careful not to get back to slagging people off,as the player,s confidence has grown since ollie came in lets keep it that way.
    critisise i n a positive way yes,like lowry has to learn we need cool head,s no matter what the situation.
    but slagging off for the sake of it no.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 12:22
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    Just looked at our remaining fixtures.We have some really hard looking Away fixtures to come.I know that ALL the games are hard,but unless IH can get Jackson or Campbell scoring (both would be better)we are in real trouble.Worst goal difference and conceded most.We have tightened up at the back recently but we did just NOT look like scoring yesterday.Unless we start scoring soon,we are in real trouble.Relegation would be a disaster if you look at what Clubs could be in the Championship next season - Palace,Fulham,W.Ham,Brentford,Orient - lots of potential Derbys.Or Oldham,Tranmere,P.Vale if we go down.COYL.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 13:52
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      @Longfield Lion: yes - one thing we lack (amongst many things) is character - go out and play like it is the last game you will ever play - Holloway has called for that and we got it against Ipswich but we have fallen back into bad habits - I am questioning these transfers too - I have been disappointed with Williams - he is not imposing enough - he looks so fragile for a centre back - it's hard to ask him to come into a struggling team from a division below and look outstanding, but if he can't be, then why get him - we need players who can take control now

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      • February 2, 2014 at 14:44
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        @timchimes: you are questioning the sightings already, Williams has played 1 1/2 games and you're already judging him? This is my point people are too quick to judge

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        • February 2, 2014 at 15:10
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          @millwall-1988: no I am not saying he won't be good , but he isn't controlling matters - he is fit - he has being playing all season - yes he has to find his feet but he looks to me that he is not taking responsibility at times and demanding the ball - that is what we need- I said it is unfair to expect him to sort it out - but someone has to now - we lack a commanding presence in midfield and we can't wait 8-10 games to get it right - if Upson doesn't do it then we are in big trouble - when do you ever see us dominate a game - virtually never because we can't , we don't, control the ball for long periods - someone has to fulfil that function

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          • February 2, 2014 at 15:33
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            @timchimes: you said he's come from a division below in my opinion the gulf between league 1 and championship is huge and he does need time, IH priority is to keep us up this year even if it's by the skin of our teeth and then push on next season! He is IMO the man to do it, did anyone really expect us to beat reading a team that goes up in the premier league like a yoyo they have stability in Adkins and in the team he has picked consistently, reading are easily one of the best teams in the league and people need to realise that

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  • February 2, 2014 at 12:51
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    Too much emphasis on bringing in attack minded players. Most good sides have great defenses and nick slender victories by the odd goal. Take away Danny and Lowry and we have no decent centre backs. 54 goals conceded is horrendous and can't continue. The matches after the Burnley game ( Yeovil, Barnsley away, Bolton, Brighton home ) will shape our destiny this season. coyl

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    • February 2, 2014 at 13:25
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      @WestKentLion:

      yes I think he is perhaps trying to run before he can walk with team selections - it is not about being negatively critical but being honest
      1-0 Huddersfield - better - nearly got the draw
      Ipswich better again - built on total commitment
      sheff wed , more haphazard - but worth a point
      yesterday - who knows if Bywater didn't drop it - might have shut up shop 2nd half, but I doubt it - but that total commitment as against Ipswich wasn't there - too much disruption of players and poor team selection - it is one thing to identify weaknesses in players but you must not destroy their confidence - these are all we've got - Bailey might be unfit but must have been good for 55 min, then bring on feeeny when the oppo are tired he might then have some impact. The same with wright for abdou - bring on wright last 20 mins when the game is slower you might get something worthwhile out of him as against Ipswich - I just get the feeling that Holloway is trying to be too clever - by all means be unorthodox but based on some sound judgement

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  • February 2, 2014 at 13:17
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    Reading's recent form meant we wasn't really gonna take anything from this game. So I respect IH for the gamble, shame it never paid off. Would of been very different if we finished our chances. We need to make sure take points from those around us to keep up which I'm positive we will. The new signings will improve us no end and play the way IH wants..... We all need to stick by the boys to get through this..... Coyl

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    • February 2, 2014 at 13:27
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      @les the lion: Let's face it Les, most teams form is going to be better than ours from here on in. We need to find a way to pick up results. Once we are safe we can then look to improve the standard of football - we need results!

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      • February 3, 2014 at 01:11
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        @Adsy77777: from 1 down, we were never gonna get that result. Not the way reading were playing anyway....

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  • February 2, 2014 at 13:21
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    In IH we trust. WE WILL NOT GO DOWN. He is getting in players that will fit and proud to wear the badge. If Lomas was still here then we would be bottom and still stuck with the problem players. Ipswich we won (although the team was unfit and knocked at the end), Sheffield Wed was a crap ref, Reading we were equal if not better than them in the first half, it was only after that plank Bywater made the mistake did you see the confidence go from the defence, he was border line against Sheffield Wed. What does worry me though was the lack of atmosphere at the Den Saturday, we need a 4 or 5 nil thrashing of some team and it will come. Keep the faith boys.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 13:37
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      @AireLys: @AireLys:

      well you won't be seeing any 4 nil thrashings, so don't hold your breath - 2 goals at home would be nice - let me pose you this? What next at Burnley, Bailey back? , Abdou back? Upson in? Jackson in? ? If so why? Morison hasn't scored since Wigan , has he? Does he need a break? Is Macdonald forgiven? Can we throw Upson into the mid with Williams and expect it to work? We have got to get 5 wins and 5 draws from somewhere

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      • February 2, 2014 at 13:46
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        @timchimes: Burnley will be a learning curb and want to know how long forde is out for. Yeovil is when we should start seeing how good this front line really is and with Bolton and Barnsley we should start getting points. I can see Charlton being the whipping boys as long as we start the Den rocking again.

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        • February 2, 2014 at 15:27
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          @AireLys:
          I think there is a big danger in underestimating the other teams - yes they are not picking up wins but have some quality and most prob. lack confidence like us - Yeovil were two up at Derby the other night and most prob. didn't hold on because they became anxious - we know how that works - but could you ever see us going two up at Derby? What I am saying is that for me the signings have to work because without any improvement from them we will go down because there just isn't enough quality in midfield that allows us to sustain pressure or create enough opportunities for the front players who I think are capable of getting us enough goals to stay up - stating the obvious may be I am, but we haven't played with any fluency for so long now it is a joke - even our wins are unconvincing - fluke goal against Ipswich, held on grimly against Wigan and beat Leeds with a couple of good moves , but overall not impressive - too far back for other wins to count!!!

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          • February 2, 2014 at 16:36
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            @timchimes: As I feared we have really missed Waghorn, he may not have been scoring but his work rate was excellent.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 13:31
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    This hole shambles started a while back in the later days of kj , and he new it that's why got up and left , the board went and hired a complete novice in lomas bought in a load non quality players that just didn't work . and now we have ih . This is gonna take a while to fix . agree with some comments on here about holloway being cleaver with comments . This is a huge job to keep this lot up and already feeling for the 2 lads he brought in because they are quality and all this is a long term fix .
    Rocky road till end of season I fear fingers crossed .

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    • February 2, 2014 at 23:57
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      @spanner41: Spanner you are spot on in particular about jacket when ever i have critised him for leaving us in the mire,i got shouted down and told he is a legend,what ever he did for this club was wiped out by leaving us with loads of problem,s,and IMO lomas got left holding the baby,though he [ lomas] did not do himself any favour,s with some of the thing,s he did..

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  • February 2, 2014 at 13:51
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    A lot of you so called Millwall supporters really need to take a look at a lot of the rubbish you are saying, IH is easily one of the best managers we have had at this club in years, he has been at the helm for less that a month and your moaning about his team selection and his tactics, he needs time and he needs patience, he has brought it some of the best players we have had I years and that's down to him as a manger! When KJ was in charge we had a nightmare after Christmas then lomas came in and he never got off the ground now IH is in charge you're still moaning I think it's time you looked at the attitude of some players and the effort they put in and maybe even some of the supporters, I was east upper yesterday and when Bywater made that mistake people were calling him a west ham c#%t how is that gonna give him confidence? Right now he is a Millwall player and needs our support not our abuse!! Me personally would rather lose 0-3 and try and go for it that do a Kenny jacket and try to defend the 0-1 our GD is horrible anyway so what's the difference

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    • February 2, 2014 at 14:15
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      @millwall-1988: Agree with you and IH is top draw. He has only been here a few days and is still finding out our problems. I gave Bywater the benefit of the doubt Tuesday but he is not championship ability and the defence needs to have confidence in the keeper. Watch out Yeovil that is when it will all start.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 15:37
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      @AireLys: @millwall-1988: what your saying is that we're not proper millwall if we disagree with the mental one's woeful decisions..& has for that thing between the sticks ..unadulterated pile of sh*t....

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    • February 2, 2014 at 15:43
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      @millwall-1988: stop making excuses for the players- perhaps if he didn't drop the ball it wouldn't happen - he dropped it against Sheffield - I have heard these views that it will be alright for the last three years now - apart from a short spell when Chris Wood was on fire we have been sub-standard for a long time - when you talk of best players in ages brought in - are you talking about a player from the most under resourced team in the league and someone from League One and a striker Blackburn don't want and another striker that hasn't scored all season? - Wake up and smell the over-priced coffee - this is real , not imaginary - I go nearly every game and virtually never s*** off our players on the pitch, except Trotter whose attitude was a disgrace at times and now we can see what he was doing all along; To keep denying the reality of what goes on, on the pitch with comments about how great IH is and will be, is delusional and ridiculous - don't comment on what you want things to be like, comment on what actually happens on the pitch - have we had 25 yrd shot in the top corner from Williams that I missed. People go on about IH well he had Charlie Adam at Blackpoll and others - get Charlie Adam in here and you will see what an accomplished footballer looks like.

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      • February 2, 2014 at 16:26
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        @timchimes: Good post Tim.
        IH has talked a lot of sense about building players confidence and structures that they can play to, but apart from the starting 11 that I was surprised at but thought he knows best, he has probably severely damaged the little confidence that he had built up in the squad with the brain storm he had at 0-1.
        I don't think even Keegan at his most gungho would have made those kind of changes.
        SL was reported to have lost the dressing room due to his clueless tactics but IH is in danger of going the same way unless he is very careful. You can only ship out so many that don't see your vision, then you need the others on side.
        For the sake of our beloved club I really hope it works out with IH, but unless he repairs the damage he caused yesterday with his mapcap antics he will be on his way down fast and us with him. It takes a long time to build trust but only moments to destroy it. One liners can only get you so far deeds get you further.
        PS if we wanted a comedian we could have got Jim Davison a damn site cheeper.

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        • February 2, 2014 at 19:05
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          @Sealion: who is making excuses for the players? I only said getting on bywaters back is not going to do his confidence any good because right now it is either him in goal or Denzel who has no experience at any level,I am no Bywater lover by any means but as far as I'm concerned he is all we have right now and people make mistakes!! I also said IH needs time and he will be tinkering with players and he will get things wrong but he's been here 5 minutes no one makes there mark straight away, a lot of you are starting to sound like the Man U muppets who are getting on moyse's back, they have only just got rid of lomas he will still be part of the problem even tho he's not here anymore

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          • February 3, 2014 at 09:32
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            @millwall-1988: you got the wrong guy, the post you refer to is Tim Chimes post. i didn't raise any of the issues you mention, I just said it was a good post.

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        • February 2, 2014 at 19:10
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          @Sealion: and whilst I'm at it didn't he sign Charlie Adam for peanuts, maybe ed upson or Williams will be his new Charlie Adam we won't know until he gets the team playing how he wants, and yes I think DJ and Jackson will do a job in this league as they have done in the past, they need a run of games and for people to lay of their back until they settle, a lot of millwall supporters expect Jackson and DJ to score a hat trick in there first game!!

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  • February 2, 2014 at 16:21
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    OK. I trust IH and his professional attitude, knowledge and connections. We will not go down, it will be tight but Yeovil, Barnsley and Bolton will be the turning points. Forde will be back and therefore the confidence for the defence. Yeovil are going to suffer and one of them is going to get a 4-0 or 5-0 (I think Charlton). That’s my faith in him. He wants it from us and we owe it to him and JB.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 17:01
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      @AireLys: you can trust .him but its gunna take alot for me to..after that shambles ...NO one coverf emselfs in glory..that starts with the coaching staff to pick theam &formattion...then its down to the playerr..then its down to decisions by the boss..wot part did they get right??...answers to mr hollaway..the den zampa rd

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      • February 2, 2014 at 17:18
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        @Jim28: The first 20 minutes we were the better team and if one went in the result may have been different. After that Reading got back into it and Bywater made the mistake just before half time, that is the worse time to conceded. There were a lot of positives from the game and IH could see the character and where we are still lacking. At the moment I think he is trying to keep the defence tight and hence why the forwards are helping out rather than up front. Burney will be another learning curve but after that you watch!

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        • February 2, 2014 at 17:59
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          @AireLys: we all hope you are right

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          • February 2, 2014 at 18:15
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            @timchimes: If I am wrong I will be in the Kitch stand naked and believe me that is not a sight you would want to see!

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  • February 2, 2014 at 17:04
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    What we all need to do is to put the result yesterday well and truly behind us.

    Probably not going to get a lot of change at Burnley but the games after that are winnable. And winnable they must become because currently there are three teams below us and it needs to stay that way. The isssue will be if Charlton get a new manager which is very likely in my opinion. They might hit a bit of form after that.

    Mistakes were made yesterday. Not only with the subs but also with the starting line up. Lesson learnt. Move on.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 20:23
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      @NICKOLA: We seem to be putting a lot of results "behind us" at the moment, we need a settled side which seems has been beyond Millwall this season .

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    • February 3, 2014 at 09:21
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      @NICKOLA: I don't think this is a great surpirse if I am honest, day after the transfer window in which we were active ins elling and buying, new manager implementing wholesale changes, squad players being given a chance to prove themselves and being proven to be out of their depths. This was all expected, and losing yesterday to a Reading team which is settled and has huge financial backing was almost expected as well. Move on and ofucs on the games we can win, Ollie just needs to work out what formatio and perosnanel he can rely on within the next 2-3 games and hopefully pick up a few points along the way. Hold the line Millwall, don't panic.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 17:22
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    Just spoke to a work mate of mine who's a Nigel. When I told him about IH putting 5 strikers on at the same time, my mate laughed and said that was the IH he recognised. Apparently IH was notorious for putting out a different starting 11 every week and not only that, playing players in different positions. According to my mate, the players became confused with what they were doing and were often seen at the dugout during a match with their hands in the air, looking for direction. Sound familiar yet?
    P.S. Not an IH hater. I truly think he belongs and can do us good in the long term. Just seems that we may have got rid of one tinkerer and replaced with another.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 18:12
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      @DavyLion:

      all players have limits to their abilities Messi doesn't play in goal - the trick is to get your players doing what they can do well - if the system is over complicated most struggle = that's all Tony Pulis does at Palace - clearly ascribed roles and stick to them, that way when it's your day you get a result - a point in case is Fredericks - he is quick with potential but when get forward he doesn't know what to do - that is the coach's job - tell him for example always hit the near post with crosses or always play it inside the full back - then he knows they are his options and our forwards know where the ball is likely to go - instead there is a random ball played in because he has too many options going through his mind - those minor things make all the difference - one chance extra - one goal extra - not just us, but I am amazed at how many of these details professional on bucket loads of money don't get right - The best coaches sort those things out

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    • February 2, 2014 at 22:36
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      @DavyLion: My palarse mate said exactly the same thing. Of course, I hope he works out but anyone who was there yesterday or read his comments afterwards couldn't help but be worried - Not yet a BOllieber!

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  • February 2, 2014 at 18:04
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    We are going to support our team at Burnley and think we will WIN there. We played well saturday afternoon . Good passing method till second half. NO ONE LIKES US WE DONT CARE. STORMIN' NORMAN ..............HEADIN' NORTHWARDS.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 18:12
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      @bermlion: I trust IH and that he will know what to do at Burnley but think a draw will be good result, it’s going to be Yeovil that will get it.

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    • February 3, 2014 at 09:23
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      @bermlion: up till the first goal, we played well and created a few chances we should have least drawn saves from.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 18:20
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    I agree we did play some good passing moves, so It will be well worth the trip to Burnley.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 19:05
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    We really missed Forde and Lowry. I think Ollie's realised that we need even more 'match day' work than he even thought. A lot of players seem to panic, and don't create time for themselves, I don't think I saw a step-over all game. Its going to be difficult for any midfield player, if the ball is flying over their head!

    He'll get it into their heads eventually, or he will replace them. Lomas had same problems, the link from defence to midfield. We need someone to 'RUN' the game, pick it up from defence all the time someone like Bailey, but who can pass the ball simply, like a Terry Hurlock type. Hopefully, Upson! Go on my son! Once we have this link, I think the team will suceed.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 19:42
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    Ok did anyone agree with the team IH picked yesterday ? Feeny and Wight should not be in starting 11 !!! it just seems to me every time i look on internet theres more coments from Hollaway i don.t what to hear from him every 2 mins just get on with the job lets hope what happen yesterday never happens again i am right behind the team and IH less talk more action. COYL

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  • February 2, 2014 at 20:03
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    @aylesfordlion: i know what you mean mate, but if you don't wanna read what he's got to say..... don't look on the internet for it .

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    • February 2, 2014 at 20:47
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      @bordersarebest0170: Can not help myself i check Millwall news every hour i know a bit sad haha

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  • February 2, 2014 at 20:23
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    Just looked at our remaining 8 home games only 1 team in the top 8 to play , must help

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    • February 2, 2014 at 21:08
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      @thecolumbusblock:
      could be the loophole - last 3 home games against teams who might be safely mid-division - that's 9 points -looks like we will be staying up after all

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  • February 2, 2014 at 21:21
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    Well guys I'm not surprised we lost but I honestly thought we would be wallopped. by the reading have been banging in goals left right and centre so I know we lost but could have been bigger but was worried when I see bywater in goal he is absolute s*** but IH you tried the gamble and it diddnt pay off this time but well done it for admitting it was your fault

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  • February 2, 2014 at 22:29
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    We hav got five new players so it's going to take time to gel. This weeks training is crucial as the new players need to bond.i think we should go to burnley & park the bus. A result up there would do wonders for morale. Then argainst the other teams play with more confidence. IH no more silliness with tactics & find a new keeper

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  • February 2, 2014 at 23:08
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    It do worry me a bit in the way the signings and the excitement happening at the minute reminds me alot of when Lomas took over. Signing Morrison Bailey Chaplow and Mcdonald who on paper are just as good as the signings that are being made now. Apart from not letting in 4/5 goals a game nothing has changed, still cant score and still are on the front foot for ghe opening 20 minutes of both halfs and end up going up one nil down. Holloways ten times the manager that Lomas was but cant see him turning to much around when you've got the likes of Smith, Feeney , Wright and Bywater to name a few that shouldnt really be playing in this league in your team.

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    • February 2, 2014 at 23:39
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      >">mfc2888 only difference this time is these players apart from DJ are younger & should be hungrier I agree when we are on top we don't score. Maybe that might change with Jackson up front.

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  • February 2, 2014 at 23:26
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    To be fair the starting 11 played well we had Reading on the back foot a few times, it was a pretty even game until that woeful missed catch... Admittedly it was a mental decision to make substitutions like that. He should of stuck at it and I would of took Moro off for Easter and Martin for Feeney... Wright looked good, he can pass, all he needs is more game time to build confidence. Woolford was decent... We just lacked the final ball... IH has came out and admitted what we are all saying so I believe in him lesson learned... We was not crap like under lomas... Still fighting just got caught on the break because we was attacking, Reading are a good team and can do that to anybody. I blame Bywater if we had not let in the first goal game would of been wet different, or what if their goal keeper had not of pulled off that super save from Cambell after a few minutes... Cheer up my fellow lions we will stay up!!!

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    • February 3, 2014 at 23:05
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      @JONO:
      After reading and re reading this thread, looks like only me and you were at the match.
      What is it with everybody slagging off Wright, he is the only one of the starting eleven who can see a pass....
      Beevers...I think he was substituted after his second glaring sideways pass a la Toure....he does not learn...making the same mistakes time and time again and for a big hairy arsed defender he seems unable to make a decent clearing header

      Malone...has regressed....he is nominated to take throw ins and his first move when he picks up the ball is to go backwards to whom ? Beevers who can only sling it forward...and malone also has a tendency to pass the ball backwards to a left footed player to that players right foot, necessitating the receiving player to adjust his position or else get caught in possession.

      I get the feeling that the vast majority of the players are just plain stupid, they look ok for the first ten to fifteen minutes, following the managers pre match instructions, but when they have to think on their feet, they do not have a clue.
      Bywater has made his fair share of mistakes but Forde is only marginally better

      Rant over
      Many more players need to be shipped out
      and I cannot wait for the day when we start playing the ball about as we did at the start of the last two home games.........but for 90 minutes

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  • February 3, 2014 at 00:58
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    What I've noticed is that after we don't do well and lose, so many of you come on here ranting and raving, swearing, slagging whoever off ,then the next day when everyone's calmed down the post's are far more sensible and constructive. So from now on lads there's a new rule, no post's till 24 hrs after the game, you gotta have 8 hrs kip, a bunk up, a big breakfast, good s***, and a shower. You never know you may even like bywater after youv'e had that lot. Lol

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    • February 3, 2014 at 01:22
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      @bordersarebest0170: Mate it's late. There are some of us on here that have supported MILLWALL for 10 years, there are others 20 years, and like me for over 40 years. Billy Gray, Benny Fenton, Gordon Jago, ( not exclistive) This is the best man since 1988. Please don't keep slagging them all off. Upper west stand v Ipswich ( wonderful performance) Reading so,so,
      We need to trust and support all, even the players you don't think are up to it, THEY ARE MILLWALL.

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    • February 3, 2014 at 09:48
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      @bordersarebest0170: We need to vent our spleen boarders, if we don't do it on here then where ? I think the wife and the dog prefer us to let it out on here and after all its just words. Its an emotional thing supporting Millwall with the highs you get the lows and just like the weather the fkin lows are lasting a bit too long. HaHa.
      So heres to brighter things in the future (when ever that maybe). It could be worse you could have been born a Palace fan.

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  • February 3, 2014 at 01:32
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    I've had that lot but still think & always hav that bywater ain't up to the job.

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    • February 3, 2014 at 01:39
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      @block 28: Thats the point, get behoud the boy.

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  • February 3, 2014 at 01:37
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    Fickle fickle fickle.
    We are already doubting the manager that most fans wanted only 4 weeks ago.
    Absoloute joke in my humble opinion.
    18 games to go. 4th from bottom. 2 exciting new players about to make their debut.
    I am right behind you Holloway. Messed up yesterday but held your hands up and promised not to do it again.
    I still believe you are a great appointment.
    Shock result at Burnley should cheer everyone up.
    Jackson is going to be our goal machine. I have no doubt.

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    • February 3, 2014 at 08:36
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      @wall2wall: sensible appraisal wall, losing games is always frustrating and no doubt the players are trying to get their head around new things which will take a few weeks to sort out. Hangin over the drop zone makes the old a*** hairs twitch a bit for us all but everyone sharing the common goal and staying tight as a club is going to be so important. Support the boys and be loud, nobody does that better than millwall!! Hang tough and let's get the job done. Love the passion you all got.

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      • February 3, 2014 at 09:37
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        @grassgrower:
        Your passion is up there with the best of us grassgrower.
        Great to know your flying the Lion flag down under.
        I agree it's nervy down there at the bottom but that is even more reason to all pull together.
        I'd rather go down fighting anytime. I thought it was the Millwall way.

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    • February 3, 2014 at 09:24
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      @wall2wall: Jackson is quality and should get quite a few goals in this divisin. He really should be playing in the Prem.

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      • February 3, 2014 at 09:41
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        @glyngo:
        Superb bit of business Glyngo.
        I agree. We have had a right result getting him and I believe a big part of him coming to us is the Holloway factor.
        Cant wait to see him.

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  • February 3, 2014 at 01:45
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    @hernebaylion, Charlie Hewitt was the manager when I first started going, Johnny short was captain, that's over sixty years ago. Yeah I agree, holloway's a good man, but I fear if he's not an instant success , he will be hounded out. People are on his back already after four games, and we won one and drew one of those four.

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  • February 3, 2014 at 08:48
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    Nothing said about the team in general..so it makes me think that the mental one has released this article to detract us from abusing the team..cos that swot normally happens after a game..l

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  • February 3, 2014 at 09:29
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    WATCH OUT BURNLEY !!! MILLWALL FOOTBALL CLUB ARE BEGGING TO GET SOME FORM INTO THEIR
    PLAY.......................SOME NEW PLAYERS ARE INCLUDED, SOME OF THE ORIGINALS PLAYERS ARE FITTER
    AND CHASING THE BALL [ AND NOT SHADOWS LIKE BEFORE ], SO WITH THE SUPPORT OF THEIR FANS
    WHO MAKE THE TRIP [ LIKE US ] , MILLWALL WILL BE READY TO BE = " SET-ALIGHT AT BURN - LEY "
    " NO ONE LIKES US , WE DON'T CARE "
    STORMIN' NORMAN

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  • February 3, 2014 at 10:47
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    OK, so I have just seen highlights of the game.....as a Millwall fan there weren't many....!!!!

    As I stated BYwater.......Should say good BYE.... That was so Bad....SOMEONE pay my airfare and I will come back and play because that is simple stuff that he is getting wrong.... He did make a couple of saves....(but that's his job).

    Watching the highlights of other Championship games and you can see how they play.... We need to hold on a stay in this division for next year.... Build a team with some more signings in the summer and move forward (and hopefully further up the table next season)

    Give IH time....(not to much as we will be in trouble)......but it will come good and the LIONS WILL ROAR again....................

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