Ambler: Survival is only target this season for Millwall boss

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IAN Holloway's one and only target is to keep Millwall in the Championship this season, according to chief executive Andy Ambler.

Holloway was yesterday confirmed as the new Lions manager after agreeing terms on a two-and-a-half year contract and will meet his players for the first time at 1pm on Tuesday.

Ambler and chairman John Berylson met with Holloway for six hours on Friday in a bid to persuade him to take up the hotseat at The Den.

The board feared the 50-year-old would walk away from talks following the 4-1 drubbing by League Two Southend in the FA Cup on Saturday.

But Berylson was able to convince the ex-Crystal Palace and Blackbool boss his future lay in south London during further negotiations over the weekend.

The deal was tied up in the early hours of Monday but was not due to be made public until Tuesday as Holloway was yesterday attending a family occasion.

However, the club were forced to confirm the appointment of their new manager ahead of schedule when news of Holloway's imminent arrival leaked out.

Holloway's first task will be to ensure Millwall, currently just one point above the drop zone, steer clear of relegation.

Ambler, who played an instrumental role in luring Holloway to SE16, said: "There is a lot of work to be done. It's been a poor season so far.

"Ian is not a miracle worker and our only aim this year is to stay in the division.

"We have to start from there and move on. Let's keep expectations at the appropriate level because first and foremost we need to remain a Championship club."

Getting talks with Holloway over the line was far from straightforward according to Ambler.

"We were chasing someone with a big reputation who was being chased by other clubs, so a lot of work has gone into getting Ian's signature," he said.

"The chairman ultimately has to take the credit for coming over, meeting with him face to face and convincing him to take the job.

"The board to a man believe Ian is going to take us forward. We've pulled out all the stops to get Ian here and he's really excited about becoming our manager.

"Ian is a man that wants certain commitments – and above all he wants to work for good people.

"I am sure he will go into his reasons for accepting the job, but his words to me were: 'I'm delighted because I'll be working with good people at a good club.'"

Ambler has come under fire from some fans in recent weeks for his perceived mishandling of the manager hunt, but Berylson was quick to praise his CEO.

"I would like to thank Andy for handling the current situation and for ultimately persuading Ian to come and discuss the managerial vacancy with myself and the board," he said.

"As with most families, there have been some harsh words exchanged of late and there is no doubt that it has been painful for those on the receiving end.

"Now is the time for disunity to stop and for us all to unite behind Ian Holloway, his staff and the players as they seek to restore Millwall Football Club both on and off the field."

Ambler added: "Some of the stuff that has been said is hurtful but that's the way football is. The commitment John and the board members make is huge."

Alex Aldridge

(@accordingtoaldo)

82 thoughts on “Ambler: Survival is only target this season for Millwall boss

  • January 7, 2014 at 09:16
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    Damn! and i was thinking we were going to get automatic promotion!!!!

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  • January 7, 2014 at 09:21
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    He will be a miracle worker if he keeps us up.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 09:50
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      @Longfield Lion: It's not going to be an easy job, but the three clubs below us are pretty awful too. Of the clubs above us, Sheff Weds and Charlton still look most susceptible. There's always one or two clubs near the bottom who put together a good run - hopefully it will be us under Holloway.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 09:57
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      @Longfield Lion: Well said, also if he can get those players to produce anythig like the form they are capable of. I think his first job will be to root out the trouble makers and deadwood, which may mean releasing some of our best players becuase they are poisoning the dressing room.

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      • January 7, 2014 at 14:04
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        @glyngo:
        Good shout, although you may find the likes of Forde and Trots will want to stat under Holloway as he has a track record of taking teams into the prem. For Ford this is particularly important to his future at millwall.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 09:30
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    Fresh start for everyone now lets back everyone and stay up and look forward to next season well done AA and JB.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 09:38
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    THANK YOU JOHN BERYLSON FOR PUTTING YOUR MONEY WERE YOUR MOUTH IS STICKING BY THIS FANTASTIC CLUB AND SHOWING SOME REAL AMBITION OF WERE YOU WANT TO SEE THIS CLUB.... IAN HOLLOWAY IS NOT GOING TO BE A SUCCESS OVER NIGHT BUT I TRULY BELIEVE NEXT SEASON MILLWALL CAN PUSH TOWARDS THE TOP END OF THE TABLE ALL WE NEED NOW IS FOR ALL YOU WOOD WORK FANS TO GET BACK DOWN THE DEN AN SUPPORT THE LOYAL 8,000 THAT GO THERE EVERY WEEK AND IM SURE WE CAN ROAR OUR WAY TO THE PREMIERSHIP IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS........... UP THE LIONSSSSSSSSS

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    • January 7, 2014 at 10:33
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      @Mo Slater Fruit and Veg:
      HI , I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH ALL WHAT IS WRITTEN BY
      MO SLATER FRUIT AND VEG = [ WELL DONE ! ]
      FULL MARKS, TO THE 8,000 FANS THAT GO AND SUPPORT MILLWALL
      AT HOME........................BUT ALSO TO THE 1,500 TO 2,250 FANS WHO
      MAKE THE TRIPS TO THE MANY AWAY GROUNDS............I KNOW CAUSE
      I HAVE BEEN THERE TO SEE THEM [ KEEP IT UP EVERYBODY !! ] .
      " NO ONE LIKES US, WE DON'T CARE "
      AN EXCITED......STORMIN' NORMAN

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      • January 7, 2014 at 13:05
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        @bermlion: how any it's usually about 3-400 that's if you do the northern trips as we'll . Still good on the brave 9,000 we deserve better

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        • January 8, 2014 at 08:52
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          @Lincolnshire Lion:
          THATS THE CORRECT NUMBER L.L......................
          ANYBODY WHO COMES AWAY WITH US WILL SEE AND HEAR THE NOISE
          OF THE MILLWALL SUPPORTERS AT ANY GAME...............THAT'S WHAT'S MADE
          THE "WALL - FANS" SO FAMOUS NOT ONLY IN BRITAIN, BUT IN OTHER COUNTRIES
          THAT WE GO ON HOLIDAY TO.
          I ADMIT THERE ARE A FEW GROUNDS LIKE [ WHEN WE WERE IN DIVISION 1 ] PLAYING
          AT HARTLEPOOL, WE ONLY HAD ABOUT 300 / 400 OF US THERE, [ AND WERE 3 - 0 DOWN
          IN THE FIRST 30 MINS ] BUT IT WAS GREAT FUN TO BE THERE, WHEN THE PLAYERS CAME
          OVER TO CHEER & THANK THE SUPPORTERS.
          [ TOOK US ABOUT 6 x HOURS, EACH WAY, ON THE SUPPORTERS COACH ]
          " NO ONE LIKES US, WE DON'T CARE "
          STORMIN' NORMAN

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  • January 7, 2014 at 09:51
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    I'd like to correct a statement made here - much of the criticism of Ambler revolves around the longer term; it is not simply the process to replace Lomas. There was Lomas' appointment itself; there is the handling of transfer and loans in recent times, which stretch logic and there is the club's responses to media criticism of our fans, which have not been robust enough in supporting what is right and simply panders to the FA and their corporate interests. Look at the past week or so in which Liverpool fans have been associated with a coach attack and a knifing - where is the media furore? Incidents have to be investigated properly and when there is no case to answer the board has to do better in standing its ground and not losing the media battle.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 10:07
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      @timchimes: Don't forget needlessly p******-off thousands of Members last season over the Wembley tickets.

      It's not an easy job being Chief Exec of a club like ours and I'm sure he works very hard for his wages, but I still don't have much confidence in him.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 09:55
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    Don't know much about Jb but it's a credit to him and others to have endured the level of criticism in recent times and stuck to the task of resolving this issue, by the looks of posts on this forum seems a popular decision and something to really build on . Everyone has a role to play and hopefully exciting times ahead. Don't just stay up but set the foundations for the future. Lions rule always!

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:02
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    I know that AA and the board have made mistakes, and with the benefit if hindsight it is really easy to dig them out and claim that none of us would have made the same mistakes. In truth, in their position most of us would probably have made the same decisions, just look at the increased gate against Yeovil....the vast majority believed Lomas was the answer and the signings were great. We should be realistic and recognise that even the board will make mistakes and as in any aspect of life, it's how you recover from those mistakes that make the measure of you. This appointment shows the board are trying their hardest to survive and Scotches the baseless conspiracy theories.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 10:35
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      @glyngo: Glyngo, I don't for one moment suggest conspiracy - that is a cheap shot for those who like to rant. I think Ambler thinks he has our best interest at heart. I don't blame him for the Lomas appointment , personally. Sometimes gambles work and sometimes they don't. But I think there is a bigger issue of trusting and controlling fans. Yes we have fans who misbehave but so do other clubs. All I ask is that we as fans are treated fairly in accordance with laws and that the club isn't constantly on the defensive. I know it isn't easy with our rep, but that is the challenge, dealing with our diversity of opinion and not moulding us into something we are not.
      I do also think our on field approach could be a lot more intelligent - we have not managed our playing resources/budget well - that needs to improve.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:03
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    Ambler has made some horrible mistakes in 2013 and is lucky to still be in a job. He should have gone with Lomas. JB may feel the need to show him some support but not many fans I talk to think Ambler knows anything about football. I hope he stays out of Holloway's way and doesn't decide he need knows best on who to sign (Hoyte!). Ambler should stick to the accounts and doing the filing and stay far away from football issues.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 10:59
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      @Glasshalffull: Yes - that is the point exactly - this criticism should not be seen as a personal attack on Ambler. The issue is it doesn't matter who our manager is if the issues around contracts/loans are not dealt with well. The process is holistic - if we are to be successful as a club intelligent decisions about players need to be taken by people who understand talent and the needs of the team.

      Here is my take on the Shittu two year contract which sums up the thinking of the board. Shittu comes in, plays a few decent games, helps us on a cup run, seems to be some kind of 'figurehead/leader' who the board think we can cohere around and they say, let's get him on board for a couple of years. So they were trying to create (artificially) a cult hero - hence the commissioning of that Scroobius Pip song (he should know better.) The problem is, Shittu also played during our descent to 4th bottom of the league. As a footballer he wasn't what we needed this year. All the above thinking and decision making was thus wrong and patronising. Somebody made these decisions - who was it? It has to be better than this.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:04
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    When have we ever appointed a manager with recent top flight experience? Oh yeah never! So I take my hat off to JB and AA exceptional work lads!

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:05
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    Just a bit of fun, but here's hopefully what we have to look forward to: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1822777-10-classic-gut-heaving-even-mind-bending-ian-holloway-quotes

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    • January 7, 2014 at 10:14
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      @glyngo: that's hoofing Glyn go hahaha looking forward to what he says about our shower of s**** hahahaha

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    • January 7, 2014 at 10:45
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      @glyngo: I would love to be a fly on the wall listening to what he say's to our wonderful defender's LOL
      Whatever happens it aint gonna be dull not for one minute

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      • January 7, 2014 at 11:28
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        @jim1222: his first comment today was, Danny thanks for the past- I know you have got your own t-shirt, but I have arranged a spell at Dartford for you, where you might get in the team.

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        • January 7, 2014 at 13:07
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          @timchimes: I hope he brings out the old Shittu

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          • January 7, 2014 at 13:38
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            @Lincolnshire Lion:
            without being unduly negative, the old Shittu was very limited - he came back to us after QPR kicked him out when we were getting desperate - he is past it at this level unfortunately, but we have him for another year and a half

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:17
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    I think this is a great signing for the club no doubt JB is paying Holloway big wages but I think this is needed its a fresh start for everyone and the club can move forward now. Now the players can stop stroping and feeling sorry for them selfs and start playing proply merrrrrr

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    • January 7, 2014 at 10:51
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      @mfcdan22: Dead right dan,we fans have got to give holloway 100% backing,this will tell the non trier's,those with the inability to do it in the championship and the trouble maker,s they are just not going to be tolerated by us fans.A big home gate against Ipswich will ram home this view to the player,s.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:19
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    i have to say i was one of the extremely angry fans over the last 6 months with the appointment of lomas and for having to watch the worst football i had ever seen week i week out ! but i have to say well done to jb and ambler here , you really have redeemed your selves this must of cost you a lot of money . And you have proved us all wrong that millwall really is in your best interests . so a big thank you from me this was a class appointment you got it right in the end like i said before we're all human we all make mistakes lomas was a big mistake , but let's move on now . we have a positive future ahead.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:28
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    The last time Holloway was at the den with Crystal Palace he said he was "totally and utterly abused" by lions fans. Now it seems he is going to be Millwall's saviour. Well got to give him credit for having taken the job and having faith in the club. I have to be honest in that I am one of those who was not in favour of his appointment, but the club come first in this respect and I sincerely want him to succeed and turn our fortunes around. I am sure he must have been promised money to spend or else he would not have taken on the task. There will probably be a few comings and goings over the next few weeks and the club must be united. The few fans who bring disrepute to our club by their wild behaviour should not be allowed to tarnish the clubs reputation anymore otherwise it will make Holloway's job that much harder. It will be a very exciting and nail biting second half of the season. COYL.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 11:08
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      @Peckhamlad: Peckham the manager,s and player,s are professional,s and most will do it for the club that pay's their wage's,so if he give,s us his all he know's he will get the fan,s support.
      A prime example of this is steve claridge,i lost count of how many club,s he played for i but he played for the shirt [if not the sock,s that were alway,s around his ankle,s] and gave 100% so he was alway,s accepted by the fans where ever played.
      I put Holloway in that category.
      people might say he lost it at palace but like kevin keegen with england realized this and moved on with no acrimony,that is a big plus for him IMO.
      So let,s get behind him and give him 100% support so he can get on and give it his all for millwall.

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      • January 7, 2014 at 12:43
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        @jim1222: well said - judge him on what he does; not what he has done

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:50
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    Your first job Mr Holloway is to ban the players from the Bridge Bar after training! #COYL

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    • January 7, 2014 at 12:03
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      @Surrey Lion:
      really sad that players with time on their hands in the afternoon can't find something better to do like learning new skills for their life after football - which for some of ours is in about 6 months time.

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      • January 7, 2014 at 19:29
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        @timchimes: their past time or hobby is well known.any time after training.get in William hills bookmakers at downham on the corner opposite macdonalds.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 10:53
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    JB must have promised Ian Holloway a huge budget to try and keep us up, so anyone got ideas who's coming to the lions den? Got a feeling Kevin Phillips could be the first!

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    • January 7, 2014 at 11:05
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      @dpendet: Phillips has ruled him self out coming to the den but I think defensive and wide midfield is a must in this squad theres no dought Holloway will attract big players. Mabey zaha on loan u never know coyl merrr

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      • January 7, 2014 at 11:13
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        @mfcdan22: dan when buying a house the expert,s say LOCATION<LOCATIONour big problem at this time is DEFENSE< DEFENSE<DEFENSE.
        Hopefully this is the first thing holloway sort,s out,some how i think it will be.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 11:16
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    Ambler you really can talk b**locks at times..of cousre he's comekeep us in the championship..plonker you just cant help yourself can you??...by the way have you thoght of giving him a millwall tie

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    • January 7, 2014 at 13:38
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      So coz ambler has got one thing right we hav to be nice to him. So it's been hurtful. It was suppose to be u bald p****.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 11:34
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    First of all he has got his work cut out, trying to move away from the losing culture we seem to have adopted over the last 12 months, still cant see who is going to start getting the goals we need to win games, because we dont seem to make that many, but he has done it at other clubs so lets hope he still has a little bit of his magic dust in his pocket.

    The next thing that needs addressing is that great big hole we have at the back that does not instill any confedence when watching from the stands and looks worse on TV, but I do feel that this appointment rather than the last one does give us a fighting chance of staaying in the Championship. If he did fail though and we let him go with his 30 month contract whic I would be is far more tham SL was on, so JB would be left with a big pay, and there is one more get him to change his tie a.s.a.p.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 11:52
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    Whatever AA says he will get slated. He's being honest and all he's saying is what we all think, and in interviews you have to give answers. I am no fan but he's doing his best, which may not be good enough for most, but he's what we have and JB likes him so move on. With regards to the tie, give him a f****** chance to even know where the club is.............lol

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    • January 7, 2014 at 12:13
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      @beedoscores:
      that is reasonable enough comment but it is in line with what I am talking about in above posts -it is all PR from Ambler- he has never had an original thought in his life - - this time it's about managing expectations - he tells us what he thinks we want to hear, rather than something insightful or something that makes you think, this guy knows what he is talking about. What we have developed is a culture of low expectancy - alright isn't good enough. Look at Man Utd they haven't developed their squad. Rooney and Van Persie get injured and they are not good enough - it can happen anywhere. Intelligent pro-active decisions - not reactive ones.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 12:28
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    Yesterday was great for reading everyones positive post's, but alas 12hours later and all the chief execs , brain surgeons, buisiness guru's , armchair critics etc etc are finding their voices again it would seem.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 13:06
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      @bordersarebest0170:
      some people understand what goes on at football clubs and some don't - it depends where one is on that spectrum
      Why the false positivity? What are we being congratulatory about? - the bottom line is JB has stumped up a lot more money for Holloway - the last lot was wasted - in most businesses if you oversee a failed project the money is gone and you are not put in charge of the next one.

      When things start to be more successful , then give praise where it is due - not ahead of time. This is a fundamental problem with the team currently - they think they are better than they are.

      The reason why people post is because they find it hard to reconcile the club's money being used to produce performances like the one on Saturday. Holloway may well improve things, let's hope he does. But things will not improve unless other things change - are you saying just keep going the same way as before - if not , then relish the thought that some people have ideas about how things could be improved - it doesn't make us all correct in our opinions, but clapping your hands thinking Holloway is a messiah is foolish

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    • January 7, 2014 at 13:52
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      @bordersarebest0170: look this is what I mean - yes be critical that our defence is utterly atrocious, but be positive and do something about it - if it is good enough for them it would most probably be good enough for us

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25604424

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      • January 8, 2014 at 09:54
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        @timchimes: so he's at Middlesborough which means we will be getting him soon enough, just a matter of time.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 13:02
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    To have one of the best managers at this level at millwall is great! I'm confident lan will work he's magic on the team and as long as JB and the board and AA give holloway what he needs. Holloway has a lot of connections and having Holloway at our club will promote us in terms of attracting better players and holloway is one of them managers everybody wants to play under.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 13:35
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    What players will be out of contract at the end of the season? Someone said Alan Dunne was one of them(I think they proabley meant Jack Smith as Alan Dunne has signed a 1 year extension to he's contract)

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  • January 7, 2014 at 14:02
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    If he does well will love him down here he suits us and I think hill grow to love the millwall way I just hope the fans realise there are some players who just aint good enough and dont get on his back if we dont win every week we aint got the moqney for top top players and for me players make a team

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  • January 7, 2014 at 14:32
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    @ timechimes." for a start i wasn't talking about our defence or any of the players , certainly a lot need replacing , centre backs a priority. i was refering to people on here who seem to think they can run the club better than the chairman(who is a multi millionaire buisness man) and the staff that he appoints. why in a good week do people go on about the mistakes they have made, when they themselves are saying they have made mistakes. you say i should relish that we have people with good ideas, yes i do, but what i see on here regularly are post's with no idea's, only criticism. as for the chelsea boy going to middlesboro, yeah he may be good,he may not, we don't know. we had em from chelsea, spurs, arsenal last season and before, some worked out some didn't, so what we cant have all. as it says,the two managers are old mates so boro have an advantage anyway,so i don't get your point

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    • January 7, 2014 at 15:05
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      @bordersarebest0170: my broad point is when I say some people know how to run a club and some don't , that point is evident in what happens on the pitch - JB may be successful in his own field but I doubt that he has great understanding of football affairs (he may have his opinions like us) And from what AA ever says I do not believe he has either.

      Unless someone makes the right decisions about players then all the good will in the world will not get us results - it is a hard-nosed affair based on knowledge- some people can do it , some people can't. I don't think we have recruited particularly well for the last two years - Chris Wood saved us last year and money was spent hastily in pre-season this year. We did not built on a very good first year back - why is this?

      My point is that there is a blind optimism about how things will work under Holloway. Holloway won't do it on his own. Look at Burnley currently - their crowds are similar to ours (given the same results) , then look at Sheff Wed with their fan base and what a mess they have been for ages. It shows that the decisions that are made are what count and we need people in place who can make the right decision. In answer to your point, if things were operating better then you would see less armchair management, but all the time people think they could do just as good a job , they will say so.
      It is not about being negative; It is the opposite. It is about understanding that we do things badly on a regular basis and wanting that to change.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 14:54
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    Quite a few on here back tracking oh so quickly when it comes to ambler. Like I said on another thread/article, I think that a lot of people don't really understand or know what goes on behind the scenes (including myself) and just jump on the "he's a c***" band wagon. Not that anyone would, but if we paid any attention to what goes on at other clubs I'm sure we are not that different behind the scenes to a lot of them, we've simply just had a s*** season and it's bought a load of negativity with it. Hopefully it's all behind us now and we can look forward to a few decent London derbys next season in the championship. Good appointment and well done to all involved.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 15:07
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    @ 82wall. well said mate, good sensible post.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 15:38
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    @timchimes, yes i understand what you are saying i just don't go with it , you say that people on here have "blind optimism" about this appointment , you talk as if you know better than they, when really it's no more than excitment of a change for hopefuly the better, i think i would prefer to live in hope with the optimist's, rather than the pessimism you display. yes we are optimistic ,nothing blind about it , this is our moment to be upbeat,and when it goes tit's up then we will all be down with you,

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    • January 7, 2014 at 16:39
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      @bordersarebest0170: I understand the excitement Borders- I can't wait for Holloway to bring some life into the club - we all want the same thing - but the alternative to excitement and optimism is not necessarily being pessimistic - it can be realism - and unless the weaknesses in our set up are identified we will not be competitive in this division. Holloway can only work within structures. Essentially many posters are saying, Lomas is gone and Holloway is here, it will all change for the better. Not unless the backup for Holloway is superior to what goes on now. The question is how much control is he going to be given over contracts and loans. So I don't necessarily know better, but I do ask the questions that are important ( e.g. why does AA get involved in contracts). Unless the weaknesses that have allowed a situation like this to occur in the first place are addressed we may be disappointed. It is not all about throwing money at a problem. When I hear the right noises coming out of the mouths of the right people I will gladly become an optimist - thanks, Borders

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  • January 7, 2014 at 16:07
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    Blind optimism was there from some herberts when lomas brought a couple of players in, that same blind optimism was there after 10 games, now those people have realised it was a complete f*** up, for the rest of us who was suspect from the start then now is our time time to be optimistic, it's not blind optimism as we now believe we have a proper manager who can do something with our club, well done JB, AA and the rest of the Millwall staff, the lions will roar once again!

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  • January 7, 2014 at 16:14
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    As long as the Board keep to their side on the deal with IH then I pleased that survival will be assured but if the start cutting the budget or controlling the purse then I fear we'll be back to square one again
    IH needs the regenerate the players enthusiasum for knuckling down and working hard on the pitch to give not only the supporters what they'd lie but the board recompence for they best will
    Come on Wall ----- Together we will do it ----- As one

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    • January 7, 2014 at 16:16
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      @aeojt: Oopps should be 'Like' not lie

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  • January 7, 2014 at 16:32
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    @aeojt, we knew what you meant, we were on it mate .

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  • January 7, 2014 at 18:11
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    @timchimes: I have no idea how you think you know so much about what goes on behind the scene's at millwall. But you say you must ask important questions like why does the chief executive get involved with contracts, we'll if he can't who do you suggest should, you have given us one of your idea's , the one about the Chelsea boy going out on loan to Middlesbrough, when our club's been doing this for years, so let's have your ideas on who should oversee contracts.

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    • January 7, 2014 at 18:47
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      @bordersarebest0170: it is simple - contracts should be decided by someone who understand what a player can offer - short term and long term - Whether that is the manager or there is another post which does this is the club's choice. No club is any better than its players, nor has a bright future without the best ones possible. Let's put it this way - who decided to give Hoyte 18 months and Shittu 2 years - based on what? Where is Waghorn? James Henry was a good player for us on the whole and could cut it in this division when content - where is he? and so on. Keep your best players and move on your weak ones - it is unsentimental, but as you have seen players themselves these days are unsentimental. There are better and worse ways of achieving this and my point is that we aren't very good at it. The CEO should not be making judgements about the lifeblood of the club - he of course has an influence on salaries and might fairly veto a salary deemed too high, but not on the grounds of footballing ability. Get these decisions wrong and you end up with the mess we have.

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      • January 7, 2014 at 19:47
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        @timchimes:
        It's not rocket science, what ceo will not be involved with any contracts, its what theyre paid to do.
        the manager has a wish list and after agreeing the finances the ceo will approach the players agreed, if other club accept approach then the manager will get involved. Why will the manager deal with all that ? I ask as the manager does know what the player has to offer thats why he gets asked to draft up a short list.
        but I do agree on hoyte and throw easter into it as well. Strange decisions but if ollie can and wants to get rid he will do think of it as a chance to add more on his salary budget and possibly transfer budget.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 19:01
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    @timchimes" so how do you know this is not the case at millwall, how do you get all this insider information, i do not know, so tell me how you do know, and please without verse and chapter, just answer, how do you know

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    • January 7, 2014 at 19:40
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      @bordersarebest0170: I think tim cleans the windows down the new den,and does a great job as a vision technologist.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 19:53
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    Mathematically we can still win the league or we can definitely get into the play offs we have 22 games left and we have 22 points so we can get 66 points in total so we should really be aiming for play offs look what with reading 3 years ago they add a poor 1st half to the season then they turned it around in the 2nd half to reach promotion so we can make it .

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  • January 7, 2014 at 20:04
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    @millwallbuilder , p****** myself at that post, yeah you got it. @boblion. don't let tim see your "blind optimism" its not allowed

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    • January 7, 2014 at 20:39
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      @bordersarebest0170:
      alternatively, answer these questions yourself -
      who made the decisions to sign up Hoyte and Shittu ?

      and do we have a significant number of sub-standard players for The Championship?

      we were 4th bottom last year and 4th bottom now - put together our results since Christmas 2012 and do the frightening maths yourself - not to mention that in that time we have barely, if at all, out-played any team at The Den - virtually all wins have been scrappy - (but do add in the 5-1 defeats)Why ? because our players are not good enough - Class always tells and we don't have any. How many of our squad would get in any of the teams in the top 6 - I say , none. Where are the bids from other teams for our cream? People at the club have overseen that process: not me.
      I , like you , desperately hope it changes under Holloway, but realise significant changes to the recruitment process are needed - hence the post.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 20:47
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    Moan moan f**king moan!
    We haven't even kicked a ball in anger under Ollie.

    The chairman has said the following"
    I am disappointed with the way things have developed over the past six months. Where mistakes have been made, they have been honest ones and decisions taken were with the best interests of the club at heart. I have been in constant contact with Pete Garston, our Fan Director, to discuss supporters' issues.
    "I understand the passion and desire of our fans to see Millwall become successful once again, and I know that the biggest driver for this to happen is for everyone to get behind the team, the management and everyone who works tirelessly for this club.
    "I would like to personally thank our CEO Andy Ambler for handling the current situation and for ultimately persuading Ian to come and discuss the managerial vacancy with myself and the board.
    "As with most families, there have been some harsh words exchanged of late and there is no doubt that it has been painful for those on the receiving end.
    "Now is the time for disunity to stop and for us all to unite behind Ian Holloway, his staff and the players as they seek to restore Millwall Football Club both on and off the field."

    But still goes on despite what the Chairman has said?
    Most of us wanted Ollie and we have got him!
    Thanks to Andy Ambler and John Berlyson who has stuck with us and continued to invest his money into our club when he could have walked away!
    Some people are never happy unless they are f**king moaning!
    When I see Andy Ambler at the Ipswich game I'm going to shake his hand.
    Like most people on here I am pleased with appointment of Ollie
    Welcome to Millwall Ollie

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    • January 7, 2014 at 21:21
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      @MillwallGra:
      I have spoken to JB twice outside the ground before matches and have found him to be utterly genuine and I think beyond reproach in his intentions.

      HOWEVER, that does not mean the club is doing things as well as it could - good intentions do not make people immune from constructive criticism - we must see the bigger picture

      KJ made shrewd signings and got us up through the playoffs; not as champions. We did extremely well the following season owing largely to togetherness, teamwork and 1 or 2 outstanding players , one of whom we sold to Norwich. Since then in terms of quality of play and quality of contracted players we have seen a gradual slide. This has happened - fact. That does not make people who recognise this moaners, but rather people who understand that there has been weaknesses with how the club recruits and retains players. We all hope this trend is reversed, but it won't be without those involved doing a better job.

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      • January 7, 2014 at 21:28
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        @timchimes:
        So when we sold Gordon Hill to Manchester United did you moan then?

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        • January 7, 2014 at 21:57
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          @MillwallGra: that has absolutely nothing to do with it, if you want a serious discussion.

          What we have been doing for two years doesn't work. I posted earlier about the decline in Man Utd's fortunes. They have lost again tonight. They have lost because they did not act when the writing was on the wall last season - they scraped the league thanks to Fergie. Now with a new manger and a few injuries their squad is not good enough - that is why they have lost again. Don't delude yourself ; our players are not good enough to challenge in this league. This is testament to how we have approached things. All I am saying out of interest in our fortunes is please let the board recognise that hiring Holloway in itself is not good enough and being self congratulatory or 'excited' about Holloway don't cut it. We need some good decisions, just like at Man Utd. What above all else I would like to hear from the board is what has been learnt and what they plan to do differently - not more spin.

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          • January 7, 2014 at 22:55
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            @timchimes:
            It has everything to do with it, we are a feeder team with low attendances hence Steve Morrisons departure, and we always have been unless you want to go back to the pre and post war attendances down the old den well before I was born.
            I am unsure why you think I am deluded, I am fully aware that each season we stay in the Championship another 3 teams come down from the Premiership with £12 million a year for 4 years which I believe is the current parachute payments.
            Another 3 teams come up from League1, some of them are bigger clubs than Millwall with more money, higher attendances and more ambition.
            We have to do the best with what we have got because we are punching way above our weight.
            What did they learn
            Lomas was a bad appointment with no championship experience with a West Ham past that alienated some sections of the Millwall fan base.
            What did they plan to do differently
            Listen to the fans, appoint a manager with championship experience and give that manager funds to strengthen the squad where necessary.
            Hopefully the attendances will increase, we will stay up and make a challenge for the play offs next year.
            If you want a detailed root cause analysis and a detailed action plan I don't think AA or JB will be able to provide you with one.
            You can always email them and ask.

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  • January 7, 2014 at 20:51
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    Ollie said on Lions Player that he's going to be watching DVD's of the previous games tonight. (Fright Night)
    Let's hope after watching them Ollie doesn't throw a sickie then does a runner!.(It's a joke not a moan)
    I'm going to try and drag some of my stay away mates down the Den, if we all do that hopefully we will have a good turn out and we can also have some fun.
    Rant Over!

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  • January 7, 2014 at 20:52
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    I am genuinely excited!, the Mrs thinks I'm a big kid!

    She doesn't understand! 🙂

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    • January 7, 2014 at 20:56
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      @Big Millwall:
      With a name like BIG MILLWALL I make her right!

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  • January 7, 2014 at 22:28
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    @timchimes: just as i thought tim, i asked you to give me an answer to a question, and again you talk at me, and not to me , you shower me with theory , but you answer a question with a question and retoric,you go way off the point we were discussing , and don't seem to use one word where ten will do, but its good to know you'r there to put things right should the chaiman or one of his underlings decide to step down.

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    • January 8, 2014 at 14:20
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      @bordersarebest0170: I apologise if my tone is harsh. All I say is what the poster below Eddie says -

      JB puts up the money not AA. AA is there to do a good job on a good salary and the outcome with contracts/loans for a long while has been poor - everyone who has followed the club will agree - someone must be getting it wrong - If practices don't change, don't expect Holloway to be successful - As I say - lets hope they do - this could be JBs last throw of the dice -

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  • January 7, 2014 at 23:05
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    In the 58 years I've been watching Millwall, Holloway's appointment, on the face of it, seems about as inspired bit of business as you're ever likely to get from a Millwall board. Reminds me of Billy Grey getting the job. Let's hope they treat him a little better than Billy.
    Only reservations I have about Holloway is the way he left Palace: nervous exhaustion that seemed on the edge of a breakdown, but perhaps Palace do that to you.
    My biggest fear is the squad he has inherited. I've never seen a group of players with less pride in the club and the shirt and the fans as this current mob. This is the same nucleus of players who have had us in the relegation zone for three seasons running under two managers. Most of them, including some old past favourites, are not up to Championship level and need shipping out.
    As well as the two and half year contract he managed to crowbar out of JB, I hope Holloway demanded some money for new players and decent loanees in this window. Keeping us in this division with what we have will be miracle.

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  • January 8, 2014 at 19:26
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    If ambler doesn't like the 'harsh words' that are written then he shouldn't go sniffing around the forums using a nickname . . Either man up and speak to people on there or stay off them

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