Harris: Millwall players let themselves down at Southend

© Edmund Boyden
© Edmund Boyden

NEIL Harris slammed Millwall's shambolic defending after their FA Cup defeat to Southend United – a team 31 places below them in the league pyramid. 

The Lions, already a goal behind, were reduced to ten men when Jermaine Easter's stamp on Ben Coker resulted in a straight red card.

But Harris says the sending off was no excuse for the overall performance.



"The players let themselves down," the caretaker boss said. "It wasn't good enough. The goals were a shambles.

"Jermaine has let himself and his team-mates down. We were second best all over the pitch.

"You cannot give any team four goals. We have defended like that all season, we've let in over 50 goals, which is no surprise when you play like that.



"We felt at 2-0 down at half time with ten men, we couldn't chase the game straight away. We hoped we would get a set piece or a bit of magic from someone, and we were about two switch to two upfront when Southend scored their third goal.

"Wooly scored a fantastic goal, it was a bit of magic, and he did really well when he came on. That gave us hope again, and we went to two upfront, and we had chances. We don't score, and then give a poor fourth goal away.

"We didn't compete in the first half and hour, and the game was lost in that period. You can see how disappointed how I am.

"The players didn't compete. They were given an opportunity today and just didn't take it."

Staff

(@NewsAtDen)

224 thoughts on “Harris: Millwall players let themselves down at Southend

  • January 4, 2014 at 18:09
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    Harris needs to tell the board to get a move on and hire someone. Ruining his reputation. A bit like Shearer did at Newcastle. Not Harris' fault in my eyes. The players are to blame and perhaps they were what was wrong with the club rather than Lomas.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:34
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      @harryfabian: Harry your right in what your are saying, and I think there is more wrong at the club than we know, and that's one of the reasons that KJ may have left, how can you control a fast changing business from 3000 miles away and 5 hours in time behind SE16.
      We need to get someone in who can make real changes at the club and we may not like it but he may be hard to swallow but we dont have long to save our season, or the New Den will soon be another new housing estate' like the old den, so JB & AA do what you are supposed to be good at, make the hard decisions and do it quickly.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 09:53
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      @harryfabian: i'v just heard that Holoway's odds have been slashed. bearing in mind we have the worst defensive record in the country and Holoway is the most attack minded coach in the country (and bonkers!) he'll prob get the job!!!!!!

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    • January 5, 2014 at 09:53
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      @harryfabian: @harryfabian: i'v just heard that Holoway's odds have been slashed. bearing in mind we have the worst defensive record in the country and Holoway is the most attack minded coach in the country (and bonkers!) he'll prob get the job!!!!!!

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    • January 5, 2014 at 18:24
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      if holloway gets the job he needs to get the back up from the board to get out all the dead wood the players who do not give 100% which at this time its all 11 players that played saturday .us fans what our millwall back

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:13
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    There's your answer now AA and JB, NO cheap option, NO promotion from within with Man upstairs! I'm glad JB was at Roots Hall and up close and personal that dross of a team masquerading as a Millwall team. It's sickening and unacceptable the rot has been allowed to go on this long. Experience manager in, majority of the first and second team OUT! Needs a whole January rebuild and the major shake up again in youth policy, coaching and scouting in the close season. Embarrassing mess this is.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 21:34
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      @Bexley_Lion: yes this is right - but harris is as bad as lomas - how can he justify playing Shittu - if as he said, we did okay against Leicester why not the same team some consistency , some confidence building - but no , instead we have guesswork instead of teamwork - we have players who don't know their roles and can't perform basic functions - so the shambles is down to Harris as well as the players - still banging the ball up the middle to lose to their centre backs and then lose the second ball - time and time again - if I head my thumb with a hammer ; it is just the once!

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      • January 5, 2014 at 09:17
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        @timchimes: If Ian Holloway is to be announce as our manager tomorrow then I wish him all the best and hope he has got the mental fortitude and stomach for this uphill challenge, it will be his biggest yet that's for sure. He has never strike me as a manager who has that sort of mental resilience like Warnock has (although he is mental!), but hopefully he will bring in some strong experience backroom staff with him including a decent No.2 and a proper fitness coach and turn our season around starting with a nice player clear out although that could be far to risky to do in just one January transfer window, lets just try and survive first and foremost.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:17
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    Woeful just glad i didnt waste my earned £ on that drab b*****. Get a man in to try n save our season. Embarissing lot!

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    • January 4, 2014 at 23:30
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      @cosh1977: if your not gunna spend a £ on the club ..cant expect anxone tn take you serious

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      • January 5, 2014 at 09:20
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        @Jim28:
        BISH, BASH, BOSH !!!!!! .....................
        YES, SUE AND I WERE THERE AT ROOTS HALL [ AS USUAL ] ALONG
        WITH A MY BROTHER, NEPHEW AND FRIENDS...........
        WE WERE WELL BEATEN, BUT LETS GET IT RIGHT !!!!!
        DANNY SHITTU [ CAP ] SAVED A CERTAIN GOAL OFF THE LINE EARLY ON,
        PLUS HE BLOCKED AT LEAST 3 x OTHER GOAL BOUND SHOTS FROM WITHIN
        THE PENALTY AREA [ WE WERE CLOSE BEHIND DAVID FORDE'S GOAL, SO HAD
        A CLEAR VIEW OF IT ALL ].
        [ FORDE, ABDOU,LOWRY & [ WOOLFORD WHEN HE CAM ON ], ALL HELD THEIR OWN ] ...........
        BUT, SADLY THE REST OF THE TEAM, SEEM TO HAVE A VERY BAD DAY , AT THE
        OFFICE.......[ SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE DONE TOO OFTEN LATELY ].
        NOW, THE 2,212 MILLWALL SUPPORTERS [ I DID'NT COUNT THEM IT WAS
        ANNOUNCED OVER THE " TANNOY " ] WERE NICE AND VOCAL AT THE BEGINNING
        OF THE MATCH, BUT, [ TOO SOME DEGREE, UNDERSTANDABLY ] STARTED TO TURN
        ON THE TEAM . AND WERE SHOUTING " SH*T, SH*T, SH*T "..............
        [ WELL, THAT DOES'NT HELP BOOST THE TEAMS CONFIDENCE ]
        ====================
        NEVER - MIND FOLKS !!!!
        " NO ONE LIKES US, WE DON'T CARE "
        STORMIN' NORMAN.....................SPEAKS OUT !

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        • January 5, 2014 at 10:47
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          @bermlion: I don't like arguing with my fellow Lions supporters and I certainly don't like slating my team or any player, but Norm, you must be smoking some STORMIN' Ganj if you can single out Shittu for any sort of praise in this game. I was standing right behind Fordey too and saw (I think!) exactly the same game as you and I thought Shittu was shocking. All he does is fall over, he is clumsy, useless and just punts the ball aimlessly into the air, or the main stand, or back to the opposing team. Please stop defending him because if he had a bucket and a rag, they shouldn't even let him wash the team bus. We were a disgrace as a whole team and no-one can be singled out for praise, even though it pains me to say it.

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          • January 5, 2014 at 11:56
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            @Marshlion:
            HA, HA, HA,............LOVE IT MATE !!! ......... [ TOP ONE - Marshlion ]
            I DON'T SMOKE , BUT YEP, THE WAY THE RESULTS ARE GOING............
            MAY HAVE TO TRY SOME OF THAT GANJI - STUFF !!!!!
            [ THE ONLY WAY IS UP ]
            " NO ONE LIKES US, WE DON'T CARE "
            STORMIN' NORMAN

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:19
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    Please do not stay in the managers role neil you are doing yourself no good, keep to the U 21's who have more passion than the useless bunch today,( excluding Fred) I hope JB was there to watch this pathetic display and gets out their to appoint an experienced and hard manager. It is obvious there are a few players who need shifting out. having too many loanies is ludicrous, no more please. Get your cheque book out and be decisive and do not take too much notice of Ambler either. There is no time left we need a new manager by the middle of next week.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:21
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    Or embarrass the players by making them explain their inept performance. They did not wanna play for lomas.. he is gone. So whats their excuse now. We need answers.. players on thousands each week why us fans struggle and yet we are expected to still dig deep.. why.. I want the top earner's to explain why

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    • January 4, 2014 at 18:29
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      Or get JB in on Monday and interview every player and let them give a reason why they should be paid or not sold.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:22
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    Well Bomber make a name for yourself and sack them all !,
    Also what Manager in his right mind will come now,
    Will carry on with my support but these results are like a dagger to the heart.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:23
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    Well said Neil
    It's the players that have let the club down they know it and need to be told
    Do they know what it's like to have to do a proper job and then they serve up this s*** a total disgrace
    They wouldn't be up to doing a proper job they would all be to lazy and sacked in a week
    Total s*** not wall players worthy of the shirt.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:26
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    I've got to say its a total joke. the players are the problem, they don't play for the club and if they're playing for their own reputations it shows just how sh** they really are!! Who in the right mind would take any of our lot and more importantly who would want to come in and manage us??
    We're probably going to lose the likes of Fordey, Trotter etc, but I don't think its a bad thing, get the kids in now and start preparing for next season. We can't go on season after season carry deadwood. we need to stop with all these loans and old crap that no-one else wants, look to youth and re-coup what money we can for our lot and use it on players that want to play for our club. A big change is required and it will take going down to do it ( Look At Wolves).
    It hurts everyone of us to see players and I use that word loosely wearing the Millwall shirt with no heart, so let the kids do it for the future of our club.
    COYL

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    • January 4, 2014 at 21:45
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      @DirtyDen: it is very easy to s*** everyone when a team plays badly - but it ain't that simple - if it was we would all be successful mangers - no team can play with that defence - no touch , no pace , no distribution, no tackling and no confidence - the second goal is all you need to see - one down with seconds before half time and the chance to regroup, we lose possession and the shape is awful again (remember the goal against Middlesboro) two passes and they are right through us - why are we over committing at that point - it is a tactical thing as much as players weaknesses - we need a manger who comes in and says to the defence this is how it works - do it like this or you don't play for me - at the moment they make it up as they go along

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      • January 5, 2014 at 17:48
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        @timchimes: I know what your saying fella, but trust me it really is'nt easy slagging off the boys its just my opinion. I take your points on board but also this has been going on for a while now and pretty much through three managers of KJ, SL and now Bomber. I do agree they need a change of managerial tactics, but surely when the chips are down they are still pro footballers and they should roll up the sleeves and dig in?? I just don't see that in our lot to be honest... Anyway as you said hopefully the new man will say ''Do it like this or don't play for me''. I just hope we don't get lumbered with these players on the wage bill that don't want to play for us. Anyway all the best COYL

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:28
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    I keep reading reports of Millwall games that say our defence is poor.
    On this website I see comments about players who couldn’t care less, and that there were some who wouldn’t perform for Lomas.
    Then I read that there are spot/match-fixing allegations against players in non-league football and links to betting syndicates overseas.
    Next, the story reached the upper tiers of English football.
    Recently a professional player in a struggling team got a red card in the first 10 minutes of a game and conceded a penalty at the same time.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 18:38
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      @SE14 Exile: funny that se14, i had very similar conversation last week with another millwall supporter and a chelsea fan. I said if they want to catch cheats then there's no better place right now than millwall fc. Collectively the biggest bunch of cheats i have seen in one place.

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      • January 4, 2014 at 18:46
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        @lukesmithmfc: Another player recently got sent off just before half-time, then the opposition scored. Does anyone at the FA notice these things?

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        • January 4, 2014 at 23:46
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          They probably set the betting r ring up..judging by the refs they keep sending us

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:32
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    Dont be bullied neil cause this bunch are not worth anything.
    Jb the light is firmly set on you mate, only you can sort this mess and you stand alone for the blame as well. Be honest jb, you couldnt give a flying f*** for this club and the people who care about it. I can except we're s*** but it's my s***. If it were'nt for the fact we are looking for a manager i wouldnt have any intetest in my club any more, not having one and more importantly who you appoint may just keep me hanging on a little while longer.
    Ship up or ship out.
    one way or the other you've made it all about you.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:35
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    Players shouldn't be paid after this awful non performance and the should all be fined a moths wages, if they don't like it then they can f--k off. New manager needed before next Saturday to give us half a chance of staying up.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:35
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    I hope tat these terrible performances don't tarnish Harris and Fitz, they don't stand a chance of turning this around after the rot has been in place for so long. The squad needs a complete overhaul and whoever comes in needs to be given time to turn this around. Relegation may be the natural outcome of this debacle but at least whoever comes in will not be held responsible for the mess they walk in to.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:36
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    Players shouldn't be paid after this awful non performance and the should all be fined a moths wages, if they don't like it then they can resign and find a new club(they'd be lucky). New manager needed before next to give us half a chance of staying up.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 18:43
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      @Davey: I am all for fining them a moths wages but how much does a moth earn and would it be enough?

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      • January 4, 2014 at 18:53
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        @Sealion: Moths usually sleep during the day and then come out to feed at night.

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          • January 4, 2014 at 19:14
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            @Sealion: Big difference is that moths have to make an effort to hunt for their food, ours get it brought on a plate.

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      • January 4, 2014 at 19:44
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        @Sealion: apologies to all to all you moths out there

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      • January 4, 2014 at 20:00
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        neil @Sealion: now I know who s up all night with that f*****g bright light and big net ,who shouts out got ya,got another.got another one.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:38
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    Absolute disgrace,these w**kers are taking our money for their wages each week,they should be fined and us supporters should be reimbursed until a bit of pride and passion comes back into the fold.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:38
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    I don't think the players understand how us Millwall fans work. If they give 100% for 90 minutes and we lose 4-1, I couldn't care less. If we give 50% and nick a 1-1 draw, we're disappointed. It's not hard to give your hardest and if you do you'll be loved by the fans. The only players that I can see are doing so are Forde, Abdou, McDonald, Woolford and Robinson. 4/5 of those were all here last year. Something has to change.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:40
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    I read this site most days but rarely comment. However, I would like to comment at this time. I don't take too much notice of the serial abusers because if you read what they say, they normally contradict themselves repeatedly but there are many contributors who obviously care very much for our club and I am certainly one of them.
    I think that Lomas was treated badly by these abusers and he was really given no chance. I have to agree that most of our performances under him were very poor indeed and the Middlesbrough match made me feel that I had no opinion to give because I could not understand what was going on on the pitch. When you look back, there has been an underlying problem with our players. We have been subjected to some dire performances at home. How many teams suffer defeats as we have against Watford, Rotherham, Birmingham, Derby and so on? We had many of these defeats under KJ so nothing much has changed has it? I think that everyone thought that our players would respond to Neil Harris but obviously not.
    We have to face the fact that many of our current players are either out of their depth or just don't care. I do hope that our chairman saw the match today and knows that we are at crisis point. The problem we have is what experienced manager will want to come to us and how many players will find us an attractive club to play for? I know that many will disagree but if we are unable to get a so called very good manager (and all currently available have been dismissed by other clubs) maybe we should think about Steve Claridge who has gone public with his wish to come back to us?
    It will be interesting watching events over the next few days.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:04
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      @Longtimer: I agree with you. I am the first to admit that I contradict myself on these pages, but something is fundamentally wrong with this club.
      Ignore all the anti-Millwall rubbish that gets into the media: it is caused by Millwall having its base of support amongst the white working-class of inner south London (and those who have moved out to the suburbs and home counties), one of the few groups that media types can get away with criticising these days without fear of censure.
      I have little confidence in the chairman, chief exec or some of the players.
      Whoever becomes the manager he will not have a magic wand to put everything right, but he might save us from relegation.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:05
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      @Longtimer: You should post more often Longtimer. You might get dogs abuse for putting Claridge forward but I for one am with you. He is the only candidate who has laid his cards on the table and his statement was full of the passion that you expect from the man. Warnock is past it and I really cannot understand the case for Holloway, he has taken two teams better than ours down to League One from similar positions. Most of the other names are just tired old chancers. I'd rather somebody who wants the job and has his future career on the line than somebody who can walk away in May and straight into another job.

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      • January 4, 2014 at 20:13
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        @lion.ie: Agree, with most of the above, there is something very wrong within the dressing room and we are not privy to the real reasons. There has not been a settled team all season, bringing in a bunch of useless loners has helped disrupt the squad to no good effect. All the supporters have known all season how weak our defence is yet nothing at all has been done about it.

        Youngsters like Fred must not be disheartened by todays performance or tarnished with the same brush. he should not have been brought on today.

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      • January 4, 2014 at 20:24
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        @lion.ie: I am a big fan of Claridge being involved in some capacity, he is a proper Millwall player and personality. I don't think he is ready for the number 1 job though, not enough experience. Make a coaching position for him under an experienced manager.

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        • January 4, 2014 at 21:13
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          @glyngo: As I've said before Glyngo, I'm not into this 'experience' theory. Plenty of bad mangers with experience. He did a very good job at Weymouth, OK it's non-league but it proves he can put a team together. Claridge, Harris and Fitz means we'd have the club well and truly in hands we could trust. I've said below, read Claridge's News Shopper interview, it's impressive stuff IMO.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:53
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      @Longtimer:
      When I saw the tweets from Claridge in some depth I thought he was using social media to get support from fans on forums etc which he may well be. I do think his mutterings have some credibility like the post regarding the SL signings being good a couple of years ago. The squad is stale and long, long overdue a clearout which I couldn't see why KJ didn't and now we are here - players who don't care and get paid regardless anyhow.

      This is a bad PR stunt to try and get a manager/players in next week or two like said before - who wants to come here with no money, poor players and terrible attitude? If we can't get an experienced, proven manager with good assistant/scouting then can't see how this team is going to change with all left to do is to hope 3 worse teams taking the relegation slots which is hard to imagine with Sheff Wed and Yeovil playing some football.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 22:53
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      @Longtimer: intelligent post but I think there's lots of decent managers who would take the job, it's a championship club who pay well and there's no pressure , we all think we're virtually doomed so if someone can get us to finish 4 th bottom he'll be our saviour

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    • January 5, 2014 at 11:14
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      @Longtimer: make you right in what you say . I fill it is time we got our act together and got a manager in now and stop this rot . Bomber & fiz are trying there best to keep things going but there hands are tied when players just can't be bothered to play for the pride and shirt of our great club and most of all for the supporters who keep this club going and pay there wages MILLWALL FOR EVER

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    • January 5, 2014 at 11:26
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      @Longtimer: make you right in what you say . I feel it is time we got our act together and got a manager in now, and stop this rot . Bomber &Fitz are trying their best to keep things going but their hands are tied when players just can't be bothered to play for the pride and shirt of our great club, and most of all for the supporters who keep this club going and pay there wages. MILLWALL FOR EVER

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:40
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    I went and I'm so angry. Have a season ticket but I don't feel like going again until the first-team squad has been instructed to find new clubs, with maybe 3 or 4 exceptions. It seems a joke that Mike Calvin could ever have written a book about Millwall called 'Family'; the players show utter contempt for us and I hate them. People were shouting Ambler out but I don't blame Ambler, Berylson or even Lomas, I blame the players.

    One team wanted to be there, took some pride in their status as professional footballers, and cared about the outcome of the game, one didn't. Every game has had the same pattern- other teams get the ball, knock it around, make us work hard to get it back, and score 3 goals because you could drive a jumbo jet through the middle of our defence. We get the ball and look like we don't want it, nobody is making runs or making themselves available so the second we get it we smash it in the vague direction of Morison, no matter where we are on the pitch. But to see a 4th division team rip us to shreds with a crisp, pacy passing game showed how deep the rot is. They walked in their 3rd goal after about 50 consecutive passes. Easter, a 30yo professional stamping on someone in front of the officials so he could get in from the rain and have a nice hot bath. Before today I thought the right appointment could keep us up but I no longer believe anyone could do it. If we make poor Bomber stay on til the summer we're accepting relegation so we might as well let him pick his youth team. These players simply do not want to play for Millwall.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:00
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      @jamie: Fully agree jamie.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 00:09
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        Am i right most fans on newsatden we're screaming for easter to played..b careful for wot u pray for next

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    • January 4, 2014 at 22:31
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      @jamie: you are not wrong about the performances but utterly wrong about the players' attitudes - how many time do I need to say that players don't go out to lose - those players were gutted at events today - do you think Easter got sent off on purpose - that is ridiculous - they lost because of a combination of poor skill levels , no teamwork and low confidence - look at the England cricket team at the moment , do you think they aren't trying - it can look like that when everything is wrong - fresh minds can change a lot

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    • January 4, 2014 at 23:11
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      @jamie: well said, a squad full of the worst cheats I've seen in 49 years of suffering

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:42
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    Pound for pound who and what's worse. Millwall's current team or Steve Lomas' managerial ability ?
    Makes you wonder don't it...............

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:45
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    Woeful,we must have hit bottom now.surely the only way is up from now on !

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:46
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    Woeful,we must have hit rock bottom now.surely the only way is up from now on !

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:21
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      @333lions: not quite, still haven't fallen into the relegation zone.

      Give it a week.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 18:59
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    youth would have done better.warnock or holloway.simple as or we are f*****

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:04
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    Not choppers fault in my view just been given temporary reins till the new manager is appointed.
    Fault lies with the board and the players.
    The appointment of lomas was always going to get people's backs up because of his past so he was on a hiding to nothing before he took charge of the first match,people were just waiting for him to trip up and he did, he didn't get no respect from the players no matter what or how hard he worked/tried.
    Let's be honest, we've been here before getting beat by the likes of Slough Town etc. and yes it does make your blood boil, and we all look for someone to blame, and we will say that's it I ain't coming back! but you will because your Millwall and one thing we do as fans is stick together, and that's what this present team is missing their not playing as a team the passions gone the fighting spirit, so until they get that back we're "cattle trucked". As chopper said they had an opportunity today and didn't take it! As we know this group of players can do a hell of a lot better so if chopper can't motivate them then who can? Maybe it needs a couple of big characters in the dressing room

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:06
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    Bomber gave 110% every game. Shame this shower of s### don't follow suit.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:21
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    I know that it's difficult to see positives at times like these BUT - we need to concentrate on the league and staying in it; Barnsley and Doncaster also went out today so they will not have the possible distraction of a cup run. Secondly, the board can be under no illusion of how big a job it is to turn things round; too big for Bomber at this stage, with or without a man upstairs; too big for a token appointment. Get the new man in, a PROPER, PROVEN manager, give him the transfer window to clear out the players who don't want to be here, aren't good enough and general knobheads, get some new blood in (a centre back with pace who is an organiser is a MUST) and motivate them all to play for the club, each other and us fans!!!!

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    • January 4, 2014 at 22:35
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      @Adsy77777: well done for the sensible comments - we have to start from where we are

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:26
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    Who do people want to leave?

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:30
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      @MillwallGibby: Whoever doesn't want to stay and make a proper fight of it.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:05
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      @MillwallGibby: quicker to list who we want to stay. I'll start: Forde

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      • January 4, 2014 at 20:09
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        @MFC Lion: Sad fact is some of the better players may need to go to finance improving the team overall. I don't think Fordey will be a Millwall player this time next year, nor Trotter.

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        • January 4, 2014 at 20:22
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          @Adsy77777: yeh I agree, Forde deserves better and if Celtic come calling I wish him all the best as he's been a true professional and always given his all.

          Mass clear out might be the only option but it just pisses me off that we seem to find ourselves in the same situation every 6 or so years.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:39
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      @MillwallGibby: It would be easier to ask who do they want to stay.
      It would take a miracle and some to keep us up and I can't see it happening.
      I would let Forde, Trotter, Lowry, Feeney and anyone else that is out of contract in the summer go now and hopefully get something for them as opposed to zilch in the summer.
      Chaplow, Bailey, Mcdonald,and maybe Martin have probably got release clauses in the event of relegation. Morison is also off, Leeds will sell him on.
      Malone may want out if someone comes in for him if he has any sense.
      Hoyte as you may have seen from my other posts I don't care about depends on what we are paying him, if its more than peanuts get rid.
      We are dropping put money on it so we must get rid of these expensive misfits.
      Keogh can go he doesn't want to play for us he has been making that clear for a very long time.
      Easter will want out and he is another one I'm not bothered about hardly mr Prolific is he ?
      Woolford I think will stay and I will be happy to have him in the side, after the abuse he got earlier on he has always put a shift in even if he has been ineffectual at times.
      Robbo is finished his body just can't take it, div 1 is even more physical.
      I wished we had kept Osborne, maybe not championship class but then neither are we, he could have been useful in div1.
      Dunne ? can he do a job for us in Div1, I don't know. May have to.
      Wright may be more comfortable in div1.
      Abdou may be ok in div1 but he still can't pass to save his life so I don't know there maybe like Smith just a squad player.
      So summing up the youths are going to be the heart of our team with a bit of carefully selected experience with them. Lets take a punt on some from the lower and non leagues we have little to lose.
      We sure can't afford any decent established players thats for sure.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:26
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    I was no fan of Lomas, but imagine the slating he would have got if he was Manager. Bomber, by his own admission is out of his depth, so we need a strong Manager that will take no s*** from the likes of Dunne/trotter/Robinson and freshen things up. I am with an earlier poster, I hate some of these players that take the p***, I don't know where we go from here, but maybe a drop to Div 1 will make shipping the crap out easier. JB, get a move on and appoint asap

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:49
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      @beedoscores: Totall agree, I've been saying for months that its the players, most of them should be playing sunday morning footie up the park. Can begin to imagine how frustating it was for Lomas and now Harris.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:27
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    I hate to say it, but look at the difference at palarse since they appointed a proper manager with mostly the same players. Another reason IMHO that Holloway should be avoided at all costs. (and Dave Jones!!!!)

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:26
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      @Adsy77777: They also manage to keep their up and coming stars from their youth set-up, when we get burgled on a regular basis. Hopefully the new set-up will stop that. It certainly looks better than before with the likes of Fred signing professinal terms.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:50
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      @Adsy77777: If you have a good crop of players, a mixture of youth and experience then a good manager can turn it round but as I said the other day our 1st team squad are injury prone, ill diciplined, ageing plodders who struggle with even the basics, we have no pace and apart from Trotter have no creativity. I knew we would rue the day when Waghorn went back but I didn't realise it would be so spectacular.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:36
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    Harris is spot on it don't matter if your down to 10 men it was only a striker so the shape of the team wasn't disrupted that much. We haven't got any leaders on the pitch we need another Harris or hurlock

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:39
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    The rot started this time last year when KJ was still Manager. He said as much at the Annual Dinner before he resigned so who are the culprits disrupting the dressing room? Also, someone on here a few weeks ago mentioned a conspiracy theory whereby JB wanted us to be relegated because we wouldn't be any worse off in League1. A lot of us rubbished that at the time but I am now wondering if there is any truth in it especially if Chopper and Scott are left in charge for the rest of the season which Ambler suggested as one of the options a couple of days ago.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:10
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      @denslions: how could we not be worse off in league 1?

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:14
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      @denslions:

      In business you can always tell when accompany is about to underperform. The top man resigns or finds another position. Kenny Jackett saw the writing on the wall and did just that.
      Kenny was aware that he could do no more. Steve Lomas (imho) saw the problems right from the start. Unfortunately, the rot had set in and the problems were deeper than even he could cope with.
      I thought Lomas wasn't ready for Millwall. Perhaps a little too inexperienced. It takes a special kind of manager to understand 'Wall and what the club means to the fans and the community.
      I honestly think that Lomas knew what needed changing...but the players themselves were too strong. He lost the dressing room because the players didn't want to change. As a result he took the most of the blame (as the top man should do).
      As said earlier in this thread, it's time to clear out the dross. Get as much money as we can and rebuild with youth. If Arsenal can get the likes of Gnabry from Germany for £300k, there must be hundreds of hungry young payers in Africa, Scandinavia and Europe that are looking for a chance.
      Get the scouts out there and start the rebuilding process...NOW!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:41
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    The players should be masqueraded in front of the supporters and asked to explain just why it is they believe they should actually receive any remuneration for the egregiously p*** poor performance they regularly put in week in week out!! The only way to hurt these people is in the pocket, ITS SIMPLE DO NOT PAY THEM!
    Then ask them why they believe we, the Fans should put our hand in our pockets and part with our hard earned Cash (which is considerably less than they get) just to facilitate them buying the latest pair of poncy coloured boots so they can prance around the pitch imitating real Footballers (not very well)
    There can be very few jobs where it is acceptable to be paid for failing miserably, wish I had one!!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:42
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    There is something seriously rank happening at our club. A total overhaul is needed.
    I saw Trotter, Feeney and Marquis in Bromley yesterday. I sat next to them and asked how they were all doing and they looked at me as though i was total scum. What the hell!! I wanted to remind them that I contribute to their wages. Jumped-up mugs dont know they are born. There was a time when Millwall players where proud to be spotted out and about and took time to talk to fans. That what i loved about our club - pride and togetherness. A few years back i met Bomber and Robbo heading to Lords for the day - we spoke for ages walking along the street and they even invited me in for a drink with them (unfortunatly i didnt have a ticket and was on my way to work!). Oh how times have changed. I want my Lions to have pride and passion. Lads, if you havent got it - you know where the door is. Its OUR club!

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    • January 4, 2014 at 19:55
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      @SE12Lion: at least two of them won't be wall players much longer, thank god.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:16
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      @SE12Lion:

      Should have asked how the Friday Night Poker is going!

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      • January 4, 2014 at 20:42
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        @GBru1: Yeah good point. They all looked really really down and p1ssed off... maybe they were just hungover! .. or Dunney took all of their cash.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:37
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      @SE12Lion: Maybe they read the forums and see what is written about them? All three of the above have been targets for personal abuse on here and I'd imagine much worse on other forums. Not excusing them but it's food for thought.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 19:54
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    I don't see how the board is to blame. The players are either not giving 100% or are just not good enough in their current form. Form changes from time to time and maybe they are low on confidence or the tactics are wrong, who knows, maybe time will tell.

    All the board can do is keep the club afloat and bring in the right person or people to manage the team.

    I think we fans need to give 100% support to whoever manages the team or we risk another Lomas type situation. If the fans don't respect the manager how can we expect the players to respect him? If the manager loses the dressing room we lose games and so it goes on...

    p.s. I'd like to see Claridge given the job. I believe he really cares about the club and is enthusiastic and I think he's good tactically

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:06
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      @mario: I agree with the fact that the board have only ever acted in what they believed to be in the best interest for the club; in hindsight, Lomas wasn't the right appointment for one reason or another. Within the constraints of the budget for a club like ours, JB has funded this club out of his own pocket. I think we sometimes need to remember that fact; we would be in s*** street if he left.

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      • January 4, 2014 at 20:17
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        @Adsy77777: I dread to think what would happen if the board weren't to act in the clubs best interests!

        Also we appear to already be in s*** street, we moved in a while ago.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 20:21
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      @mario: I am coming around to your thinking that Claridge should be offered the job, he knows what he wants altohugh I woullike to see a good player manager there is little chance of that, Wisey too i think would just about keep us up. I cannot undertand the Holloway likers, he has no gumption and self admiteedly says he cannot take on the stress of a relegation battle.
      But a new manager MUST be in place by next week or we will be in the crap house.

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      • January 4, 2014 at 20:58
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        @Peckhamlad: Don't know if you've seen Claridge's News Shopper interview PL but it's worth a read. Would make a good interview with JB!

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      • January 4, 2014 at 21:22
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        @Peckhamlad: claridge has no success in management - we need a proper manager with contacts because we need 3 new defenders now!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:20
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    Well,now SL has gone and we still have a problem. I have always been more critical of the players than of SL and although some say he left us in a mess,i don't go along with that fully. The players are just not champion quality,or they don't care,both i should think. But you can't build,as must be done,on ageing players and loanees......The chairman some time ago said, that the foreign takeover of clubs is great for our football...so...now he must, as the owner, weigh up the cost of going down and seeing his asset devalue and with gates of 5/6 thou and sponsers paying cheap,or spend for a good manager and players. The fans get angry, the players think ' fu.k you lot ' and everything is negative.
    The ball is in his court,because,no message boards,players or fill-in manager will cure this massive,massive prob. It is down to money now JB, or we can end up non league,were are not special, can happen.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:24
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    The simple answer is that Lomas has completely ruined the club with terrible signings at a time when the established players have started to decline or are coming to the end if their contracts. Although Jackett was losing his way at the end of last season, he generally signed competitive players and had an organised/prepared side. Certainly not so many heavy defeats. We are now left with a squad that is undisciplined, unorganised, uninterested and worst of all, lacking any passion for a fight. The bottom line is that we need an experienced manager appointed early this week. If we d*** around wasting time we are down, if not already.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:25
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    Who's turn is it out of the players to come out with a post match pile of s***?....

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:26
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    bomber your term in charge successful or not will be no reflection on that you are still a millwall legend, is there not an arab oil rig owner out there with south London ancestry?

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    • January 5, 2014 at 12:23
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      @millwallbuilder:like a yank will do buissiness with a arab.cant see that one coming of...early in 2013 according to the south london press BILL GATES was in deptford..JB should of dragged him down the den.,.wouldn't that be nice

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      • January 5, 2014 at 22:19
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        @Jim28: jim its a joke .laugh if you please .what rich arab in his right mind would grass his camels at the den

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:26
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    Who's turn is it out of the players to come out with a post match pile of s***?....I cant wait to see the excuses for this one,

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:27
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    This result also proves what a load of rubbish the rumour was that the players only ever put effort in when JB is over.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:35
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    It really has shown up how bad things are now. As already stated the rot set in this time last year. I have to admit to thinking Lomas was a good appointment but after the Middlesbrough game he really had to go as looked totally out of his depth. The team has not responded to Neil and Scott since, although we all seemed pleased with a no score draw at Donny last week, when really they are a team we should be beating with our squad.
    As for new managers, Dave Jones no thanks, Neil Warnock too short term, Ian Holloway, not sure he is the man, although I have always been a fan of his. Steve Claridge has been very outspoken in his desire to manage us, and although unproven, he would have more to prove to us and the board after his previous stint. He knows the leagues, he knows non-league, he is passionate, and most importantly knows the club. Whether he is strong enough to change the dressing room I don't know, but we are in complete free fall which I can't see anyone changing overnight. Claridge for me.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:41
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    Mugged off by southend, felt embarrassed standing there today. Someone ave some b******* and start naming these players who don't wanna where that shirt.... Tip toe ing around, they need squaring up and kicking out...... Act now jb.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 20:56
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    just got back , and ive got to say that is one of worse ive seen in many years , i would like the board make a stand like peterborough did when they stuck the players up for sale , i know this is harsh , but never seen a bunch of over rated no paced players , no leader on the pitch , shitu should of been taken off half time , same as bailey chaplow , the club should make the players give money or pay for those who took time out and money to travel to a away game , i am concerned that if someone like harris cant lift this bunch , then no matter who we get can they , i hope harris makes a stand and says no more , let ambler take the next game cos these players are his mess,

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:01
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    KJ saw this coming, there is something problematic underlying at the club that is too entrenched to be removed easily. The board have shown a complete inability to lead at a time of urgency, and this is where I think the problems stems from.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:07
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    Lets make no bones about it
    collectively the board advise the chairman/owner on most things, especially the appointment of a new manager, but the chairman has, and will, always have the final say. Now, I know there's never going to be a guarentee on success but ultimately the responsibility lies with him. If he goes and agrees with the board on certain things and it fails then together they're to blame.
    I fully appreciate the efforts of loaning into millwall fc, cause lets not forget the money or most of it that mr Berylson puts into our club is a loan. Yes it's kept us afloat and I thank him. His first manager was a success for the club and himself, he had a right touch, after six yrs it goes belly up and all hell breaks loose. He makes a decision to appoint a new man and publicly states his reasons, nothing wrong in that, and naturally it upset and devided the fans. He also publicly told the unhappy fans he more or less couldn't care less if they wouldn't come down and watch the team and those who wanted to give their season tickets back were welcome to do so but they wouldn't be getting their money back. That tells me he more than expected that response from the fans. He comes to less than half our games, he turned up over a week after he asks the board to sack the manager to start interviewing potential new one's.
    He revells in the good times, I was up at elland rd when we got to wembley we had 1000 there that night and after the game he came over and he got the usa, usa thrown at him. He absolutely loves it when the goings good and he lets us know. But where is he this season when the s*** has hit the fan big time ? Why has he not apologised for this fiasco and held his hands up. When he took over we were a s*** league one side, he appointed a manager who knew how to turn a league one side into a championship side and thats exactly what he got. Now we are a s*** championship side and in need of a manager who knows how to stay and compete in the championship.
    JB hold your hands up pal, you got it massively wrong on so many fronts last time and when you took over you told us all your plan of making us a top 30 team in the country, l cant remember how many yrs you said, 7 or 10 I think. Well, here we are mate time to step up.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:08
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    We'll firstly I can confirm that berylson and ambler were both there today , I was in the main stand behind the dugout , they were there chatting. Harris was constantly calling for the back 4 to get further up the pitch, something I totally disagree with because they are all so slow on the turn, their second goal a case in point, one. Long ball down the side of em, and their bloke runs clear. Unlike a lot of you on here I actually think they are trying, I just think most of em are just plain useless, we went down to 10 men but were better when woolford and Fred came on. Southend looked fitter, quicker, more comfortable on the ball, slimmer, better passers, and they are 2 divisions below us, maybe we need Phil brown, no one on here thought of that eh.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 21:23
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      @bordersarebest0170: If they are trying and that is the best they can do then we won't even survive in div 1 with that lot. Get rid now and save the wasted wages.
      We may need Phil Brown but he definately doesn't need us.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:17
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    LET THIS BE THE LAST WORD: Shittu , Dunne and Smith can never play at the back for us again - you might want to add Lowry - they are not good enough - outclassed by league 2 forwards - this is the ultimate root of our problems - our midfielders simply cannot play trying to work out what dreadful ball or mistake they will make next - on many occasions today Bailey got caught in poor positions because he expected them to keep possession and make a simple pass - when the rest of the team can't rely on them to do very basic things it just can't work - Morison worked hard today with no service - it isn't a lack of desire or effort , it is skill levels and teamwork - for periods of the second half we dominated possession with 10 men, but every time they attacked they looked liked they could score - the defenders have to be gutted - how many times did Shittu nearly run into other defenders and give away possession - you juts can't do it - why was he picked ? any one but him - it radiates a total lack of confidence through the team and the forwards try to hard thinking they have to score 3 or 4 every week to win, or draw!! It is so plain but no one seems to be able to do any thing about it

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    • January 5, 2014 at 13:32
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      @timchimes:you forgot robinson.....league 1 quality

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:21
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    Was there today, and was the worst performance I've ever seen by a millwall team, absolutely shocking, to think that team gets payed to play football,don't deserve paying for that today!!! puttin fred and woolford aside, it was like watchin my 12yo nephews team, hoofing the ball up the field to no1,even tho the player has time to bring the ball down and play it, so there's no communication, every1 was ball watchin, so we had no formation, 6 of our players within 5 yards of the ball, was so embarrased today,wolly played well when he got on, and was good to fred play, but a 17yo is never gonna win us a game, but looks good, GET HOLLOWAY IN, AND GET HIM TO START KICKING A FEW ASSES, no player is bigger then our club!!!!!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:28
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    We have heard it all before bomber. You have all tried and failed to instill in them what is expected of them by the wonderful fans of this club. They have not listened so there is only one option left. We the fans will show you at our next home game what we really think of you and then you can walk off the pitch like Rooney full of self pity saying how much you never deserved such treatment. Guess what. We dont care because you have clearly showed that neither do you and for that reason it is open season in my book. Hang your heads in shame as the Millwall faithfull are coming to tell you what they really think about you all and your prima donna actions.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:29
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    We were shocking and today hurts more because we, the fans expected a bit more against a league two side. I'm a bit long in the tooth nowadays to rant at the board or even the manager i rather point my anger at the players. Tactics can be wrong, players played out of position from time to time i can understand why players could struggle. I don't expect a 10/10 performance every week but what i do expect is nothing less than 100% effort. Today i've done a fair bit of doh to get to southend (and many others this season) and the way we've been playing it seems i've showed more effort and heart to get to the game then any one on that pitch today. The players we have apart from 4 or 5 have to go dunne shittu robbo trotter have been living of loyalty for a few years now. We need a shake up fresh blood the above i mention are too comfortable. I'm gutted and for the first time ever at millwall gave up on them and left early i will not be back again this season

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:35
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    To all the players .. Give your weeks money to help for heroes ! , as you bunch of p***** ain't worth 2 bob .. How can you take our hard earned money week after week & p*** off home to your nice houses in your nice cars while u have mugged us off season after season !! .. All of you can p*** off as none of you can hold your heads up & are good enuf for div 1 let alone the champ/ship !! .. Show us you care a little bit about our club & put your sorry arses on the transfer list today !!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:43
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    All to little and not enough thanks wall thanks for nothing

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:45
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    Bomber you are a true millwall ledge, but picking dunne smith and shittu in defence was you expecting a clean sheet?
    The players have let themselves down all season and you are starting to say what SL would of said!
    Please don't take job if offered as we all want you to have the legendary status you have

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    • January 4, 2014 at 22:04
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      @dpendet: totally right - as I get fed up of saying on this site to people who rant on about pride and commitment - it isn't that - are we saying Harris has no pride no, of course not, but he hasn't helped. What is needed is players (mainly defenders) with championship skill levels and a manager who can organise them and instil confidence in them to get the best from their abilities. If Berylson doesn't see this we are finished for this season

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  • January 4, 2014 at 21:55
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    it looks like holloway is nailed on fav , i guess his best pal kj will fill him in on the bad eggs , cant see him standing to much of there s*** , i know his not every ones cup of tea , but his record at palace , and blackpool , tells its own story , BY GETTING THEM UP. so i say give him the job now and let him ship the bad eggs out ,

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    • January 4, 2014 at 22:18
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      @munson68: His record at Palace? Best take a closer look munson. 45 points from 32 games in the Championship. A lot of Palace fans don't rate him and say he got lucky thanks to Zaha after scraping into the play offs after one win in their last ten games (Peterboro last game). He also got relegated to League One with QPR and Leicester after taking over mid season. He's not the Messiah that the media love him to be seen as.

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      • January 4, 2014 at 22:44
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        @lion.ie: that is fair - as I have posted before , defensively he ain't that great

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      • January 4, 2014 at 22:47
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        @lion.ie: take your point , but if he can get us 20 points between now and the end we stay up , i wouldnt take notice of palace fans , what more do they want he got them up , job done, i think if look at his defence record i cant remember palace getting done 4 and 5 most weeks a lot of draws i think , can u think of a better option , warnock , no better look at leeds , would love alex rae , but he aint ready for this squad

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        • January 4, 2014 at 22:53
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          @munson68: I think Alex Rae would be ready for any squad, he's fought bigger demons and won.

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        • January 4, 2014 at 23:38
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          no he couldn't be worse , but the defence has to be rebuilt and we need someone who knows how to do that @munson68:

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  • January 4, 2014 at 22:28
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    I like other posters in previous days would like to see a statement of intent. Get Warnock to sort out this short term mess, he's like us, nobody likes him but he don't care. We cannot promote from within, there is no one. Don't use the money on third rate has beens. Let Warnock bring a man who can take over when he leaves. Get Bomber and Fitz back in charge of the youngsters and keep an eye out for people to add that will improve this management team. Those of a certain age will remember how s*** Liverpool were before Shankly laid the foundations for "the boot room." Build a decent scouting network of people who go to watch lower and non league football. Or tell us you've spent enough already and let us slide into Div 1, let the rats leave the sinking ship and then start building again from Shanklys blueprint but with different personel than Warnock and an assistant.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 22:30
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    This club is messed up. It is clear the team is broken. Please JB cut your losses and out all of these so called wall players. Start with the back four (I have faith in Malone) and then every player who thinks he is better than the club. We don't need them, nor do we want them. I'm sure we could find a Shh!!t hot midfielder in L1 or an out of favour prem player to replace the likes of Trotter. And any other position for that matter.

    I know you have a tough job on your hands but it needs to be done. If it is not the underlying issue will always be there. Put it this way if Harris cant even knock sense into them (who surely they should have respect for) then they are a lost cause.

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    • January 4, 2014 at 23:52
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      @Dazi: Why is Trotter taking the can back? He never played today and we could have done with him in the middle. The perhaps Morison would have got better service. Trotter is one of our more accomplished players and the club needs him.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 10:26
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        @Peckhamlad: I think you misunderstood me, my point is we can easily find replacements for those who think they're too good for the club.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 22:35
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    Where's the millwall we all know gone! For f*** sake JB get Warnock or holloway in! And get that wallet out or L1 it is!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 22:35
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    Where's the millwall we all know gone! For f*** sake JB get Warnock or holloway in! And get that wallet out or L1 it is!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 22:36
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    Where's the millwall we all know gone! For f*** s*** JB get Warnock or holloway in! And get that wallet out or L1 it is!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 22:58
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    I think people have realised that Lomas was only 10% of the problem, if half the stuff I have heard about our dressing room is true then I feel sorry for Lomas. All those players who cause trouble shouldn't be allowed to play for our club. One of the rumours was the players had to be at the hotel on Christmas day by 5 some were there others didn't turn up until after 7. No wonder we fail on the pitch.

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  • January 4, 2014 at 23:07
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    It's easy to come on here and vent our spleen, so two or three positives from today's disgraceful performance, woolford was good when he came on, and definitely lifted us, and took his goal well ,also Fred, he looked rapid and comfortable on the ball, And Jim, May lack ability but he never stopped trying, Morrison, felt for him cos the crap service he got, but he was having a go. I didn't think dunney was that bad but the centre backs, lee Martin, Bailey, conference level

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    • January 4, 2014 at 23:47
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      @bordersarebest0170: yes - this is what the new manger has to identify and understand - we do have something to work with - but some fundamentals have to change - 2 CBs needed - commanding players - Malone and perhaps Hoyte could look alright with them - or one good CB who might bring Beevers back to form - anyone have any ideas for new recruits? it is easy to criticise but who could we bring in - I know he is way past it for the Prem level but I think we need a player like Senderos from Fulham who is out of favour

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  • January 4, 2014 at 23:32
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    I agree with a lot of the comments posted and the vented of the spleens, and I am also in agreement that thinks do happen and situations can be turned around very quickly in football with the right managerial appointment.

    I Feel bad for Harris as he has stated that's he is not ready for this position so only trying to keep everything ticking over for the new manager as he is inexperienced and will one day make an excellent Millwall manager but not yet, as he has inherited a core of cheats and doing his best in a very bad and poor situation with no room to manoeuvre.

    I agree with a posting earlier that the next four games are critical to our championship future so we need to appoint another managers sooner rather than later and the board for once need to earn their money and get this right, and don't take the cheap option or leave Harris in charge possibly ruining his future career in doing so..

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  • January 4, 2014 at 23:41
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    F****** useless c****!

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  • January 4, 2014 at 23:41
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    Holloway 6/1 on with Skybet tonight, Looks like the hype wins?

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  • January 4, 2014 at 23:53
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    Watching the goals on ITV, the first goal looks as bad as it did live - how can a forward run into that space and jump totally unchallenged - no pressure on the crosser.

    the second is more unreal than live - we were all in their half - couldn't play him offside - an utter joke

    Easter's red card to me looks like he is gonna do him out of frustration but then tries to pull out but too late

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    • January 5, 2014 at 01:24
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      @timchimes: chimes i have been saying since the yeovil match our back four can't or won't jump to head a ball,can't or won't close down opposition in and around our box,and that there is a disruptive element among the player's.
      I defended Lomas,and i got slagged off for it,
      these player's need putting in their place,as they are a disgrace,MUNSON68 got it right in a earlier post.when he said
      "PUT THE WHOLE LOT UP FOR SALE."
      But alas who will buy the main culprit's Beavers,Robbo,Dunne,Lowry,and the worst of all Shittu,i am not saying the five i have named are the disruptive element,but they are the worst offender's for our dismal goals against tally.Which 70% are down to rank bad defending and schoolboy errors.
      As for the disruptive element, they need to be named and shamed so as to be fair to the rest of the team that are not disruptive,and let us fan's know who wants to play for us.
      If those defenders had done their basic job,s right we would be half way up the league.
      Any new manager no matter who he is,has a monumental task on his hands because of these player's they did not help Lomas,they are not helping bomber and fitz, and they wont help the new man,so if we can't get rid of them we will have to let them train with the youngster's to shame them and the new man will have to get in a new back four. It's going to cost the club money it can't afford but it's the only way out.
      Now all you Lomas hater's might just admit it was not all his fault.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 13:21
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        @jim1222: yes Jim, I would disagree in one area - Lomas had halfa season to get new defenders in - we got Hoyte which doesn't solve the problem - I don't think Osborne is up to it but he had to start in front of Shittu -

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  • January 5, 2014 at 00:30
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    Manager markets are very weak because nobody will take a bet, but 1-6 shots don't often get turned over so it looks like holloway , just hurry up whoever you choose

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  • January 5, 2014 at 00:42
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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1823597-ian-holloway-possibly-the-most-overrated-manager-in-history

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    • January 5, 2014 at 13:42
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      @lion.ie: Doesn't look very promising.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 00:44
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    Heard Owen coyle could be in place by Monday

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    • January 5, 2014 at 00:56
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      @block 28: The fella who took a very talented Wigan squad to mid-table! I hope you're wrong B28.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 01:03
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      @block 28: if you have any trust in your source , coyle is 33/1

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  • January 5, 2014 at 00:59
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    I've been goin to millwall for 42 years..We seem to go through phases s*** teams & bad teams...no one noticed cos we was always in the national press ..(kicked of alot) ...got relagated more than once or twice but we always bounced back...probably the reason why the f**king fa trying to get rid..(not working)..this may be one of those years..but i like every other MILLWALL FAN WONT GO WITHOUT A FIGHT...dont give up on the lads yet..COM ON U WALL

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    • January 5, 2014 at 02:01
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      @Jim28: completely agree! No matter how bad things get us fans will still be here! Look at Blackpool earlier in the season. We have fight and passion in us, it's just confidence, which is at a all time low

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  • January 5, 2014 at 01:16
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    A lot of posts on here from some quite rightly p***** of wall fans. This stuff hurts, we feel s*** when this happens. This isn't the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last. We shouldn't feel embarrassed by the players that represent the club. I have to say that we have had some very poor teams in the past and have played lower division football however this team has a decent amount of quality, 95% of any wall fans polled would say this current team has more individual quality than we have had for quite a few years, but and it's a massive but this team doesn't give a t*** about this club, this team doesn't give a t*** about the fans but more importantly this team doesn't give a t*** about the guy that sits next to him in the dressing room. When that happens you're in an never ending spiral of s***.

    I tell you now that I've lost all hope in this squad, even if pep guardiola took over we would go down. They are not professional, I support and back any player wearing a millwall shirt but most of the players currently wearing it are a disgrace to this football club.

    I could blame everyone from Berylson, Jackett, Lomas, Ambler down to the fitness coach and the coach driver but the simple fact is that our players don't give a t*** and unfortunately no matter how hard we try, we do.

    Stick together guys and girls, we have been here before and will be here again, players come and go but we are the club, rant over.

    No one likes us, we don't care.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 01:33
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      @dragonflymfc: Bang on dragon,those player's are a disgrace to every one,they are even a disgrace to them selve's.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 01:18
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    Wasn't able to see the game , was there anything
    Positive to come out of it at all?? Sounds like a complete s*** fight, wise heads need to prevail!!

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    • January 5, 2014 at 01:24
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      @grassgrower: Fred and wolly both coming on and showing their talent! Apart from that it was a utter disgrace from everyone else!

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    • January 5, 2014 at 01:31
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      @grassgrower: gg - I am not as pessimistic as most on here - yes we were shambolic especially in the first half - just watch the goals - but considering we played with 10 men for most of the game we did better in the second half - I know we were playing 2 div - but our problem is there is absolutely no confidence in the team and proper teamwork has stopped - this is the same squad that beat wigan and drew with qpr , burnley etc - yes we are limited , but with 2 or 3 good signings and manager that puts down the law we might survive

      good night if you are still up

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      • January 5, 2014 at 02:04
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        @timchimes: yeh mate, hope the boys realise they're accountable every time they step on the pitch and at least take pride in their own performance, winning starts somewhere, but pride in ya self and ya club is not negotiable.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 01:20
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    I've been to every home game this year and only missed a few away ones but today was the worst game I've ever been to, I've always gone and been taught what millwall is really about! I'm only 16 years old but I know the millwall way! No man was pressuring or making any effort, which has been the story of our season.( apart from jimmy who will always give 110%) I fail to see why this squad just isn't working. Any c5nt who is causing problems in the dressing room can go no matter who they are! I heard Keogh is on holiday and I wouldn't be surprised if he fuc5ed off this month. The point I'm trying to make is that this squad can do SO much better than this. Fair enough some are past their best but ffs wall 4-1 to a league 2 team?! We've got goals in us it's just defending.. Last season with kj we we're solid, shittu has lost all pace and leadership, dunne is miles past it and as much as we all love robbo.. He's had his day! I crave for us to do well and to show fight and passion till the end but with this team full of lazy, unpassionate mugs I can't see any future apart from L1. I really hope The players prove me wrong and ill obviously be there at huddlesfield and the remaining homes game which IMO will make or break us! Desperate for a manger soon to restore some discipline back into our sorry a*rse squad! COYL!

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    • January 5, 2014 at 01:37
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      @mezza: The most important thing is to get rid of any disruptive player's out of the squad.
      Good post mezza.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 01:41
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        @jim1222: Players were so bitchy about lomas and how much they hated playing under him.. So lomas goes and yet the players are still under performing.. If they don't play under one of the biggest legends in the clubs history then who will they play for?

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        • January 5, 2014 at 01:53
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          @mezza: Mezza read my post about ten post prior to this one,you will see we are of the same opinion.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 10:14
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        You're probably find the disruptive players have cast iron contracts,.so it would cost us a fortune to break..notice i said us cos we're the one's who really pay their wages

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  • January 5, 2014 at 01:28
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    Thanks mezza, just gotta hang tough roll the sleeves up and support hardcore.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 01:43
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      @grassgrower: we're all too used to supporting hardcore, it's all we know !

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  • January 5, 2014 at 01:59
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    Great player's and real good club player's play,not only for the club and fan's but for their own esteem,that is what make's them legend's who ever they play for,i am sorry to say many of the present squad do not come into that catagory.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 02:07
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      @jim1222: many of our signings on one year contacts thank god! No players fit the bill for a millwall team! Apart from jimmy, got a lot of time for jimmy!

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  • January 5, 2014 at 06:49
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    We aint got know f****** doh f*** league 1 back em

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  • January 5, 2014 at 06:52
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    We aint got know doh sod league 1 back em

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  • January 5, 2014 at 08:33
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    Still think Warnock and have been saying so for two months on this site. Give him it until the end of the season

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  • January 5, 2014 at 09:24
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    Reports on holloway bets suspended.
    I know some dont want him but in our state its certainly someone that i'll except cause to be quite frank we dont deserve a decent manager.
    Beggers cant be choosers and he has been in this position a few times.
    For whats available and where we are i'd take him

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    • January 5, 2014 at 10:32
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      SKYBET SEEMS THE ONLY BOOKIES TAKING BETS ON HOLLOWAY...crap odds.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 10:43
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        @Jim28: on reflection I think Ollie is as good as we can hope for, if it's him then we have a fighting chance of staying up. Just hope the bloody players realise how culpable they are and actually show they even care.

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        • January 5, 2014 at 14:56
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          All i was saying is that they could have given us better odds cos i would have put a bet on..like u i agree he is a good choice...be even better us staying up & palace going down.even better charlton down as well

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  • January 5, 2014 at 09:33
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    There is so much frustration amongst the fans on this board leading to speculation and rumour which is understandable given the situation Millwall are in. But cool heads need to prevail, I refuse to believe that the team which did so well against the likes of QPR and others last year can collapse in a heap without good reason. Much of the problem has been Lomas's failure to motivate and settle on a steady squad. he was not up too the job tactically . We need a manager capable of not only instilling confidence back into the team but knows his tactics and formations. I doubt if Holloway is that person.
    Next week might be one of the most important in in recent times for Millwall's future, assuming the board make the right magerial appointment and not leave it another week to make a decision; hopefully the right one. Never throw in the towel we can climb out of this mess.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 11:13
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      @Peckhamlad: Peckham no one is throwing in the towel,but unless something is done about the back four as a priority,we may well as do.
      Without any shadow of a doubt that is our problem,and it has to be sorted.
      IMO dunne,shittu,lowry,beaver's all need to be made to train with the kid's ,i don't include Robbo as he has more than done his bit for us,last season's bad injury has taken it's toll on him so he can be excused,but the other four need to take more pride in their own performance's,and give us some thing back in return for the thousand's of pounds a week we are paying them.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 13:36
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        @jim1222: we have to go further and get rid off them - they are not good enough and never will be - add smith to your list - I find it preposterous that a pro player in the 2nd highest league in England can't control a ball and pass it 10 yards - that is all of our defenders apart from Malone

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  • January 5, 2014 at 09:39
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    All these managers - Warnock, Holloway, Jones - have won about 40% of matches in their careers. The same goes for KJ, McCarthy and even Redknapp, who most would think of as quite a successful manager. It doesn't matter which one we get: their experience will hopefully keep us up and, in the longer term, give us a bit of modest success - a play off adventure or a cup run. We just don't have the wealth, as a club, to do much more.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 09:51
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    The thing I saw in my few times at the den was rabid uncompromising support by people who expect and deserve better than ya gettin at the moment, it's an infectious feeling at that place and just keep on roarin till the players get it in em!!! Nobody likes us, we don't like them either!

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  • January 5, 2014 at 11:02
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    Holloway to take over on monday..probably gone to church to pray today..ian me old mate your going to need all the help you can muster to get some of the players to do a bit of work..lets face it the only work they do is a bit of training & 90mins on a saturday..unlike some of us fans who do up to 50 hours...wot they do on saturday is fun..cos the're taking the p*ss out of us..slags

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    • January 5, 2014 at 11:14
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      @Jim28: So well put jim.
      by the way what a great name you have LOL

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  • January 5, 2014 at 11:49
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    Please don't be true.. I don't want that muppet anywhere near us! Holloway will kill us and drag us into league 1 whilst having a giggle along the way. He got incredibly lucky with palace, can't deny he did a good job at Blackpool but just can't see it working with us, he's not a millwall type guy!

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    • January 5, 2014 at 12:07
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      @mezza: I don't think we will need much dragging, the way we have been playing lately we already have one foot in div1.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 12:17
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        @Sealion: very true, really hope he can save us thou as the players certainly won't!

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    • January 5, 2014 at 12:51
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      @mezza: how could he possibly make us worse? Are we going to starting losing 7 or 8-0 instead?

      So what if he got lucky at Palace we could do with a lucky manager 😉

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      • January 5, 2014 at 13:40
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        @MFC Lion: its all relative - Holloway being average is great for us right now

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      • January 5, 2014 at 14:47
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        @MFC Lion: fair enough, we're due some luck atm! And true, reckon us fans could put in a better shift than them so called "players"! At least we'd fight and give everything! And I'm sure at least one of us could pass the ball!

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  • January 5, 2014 at 11:49
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    Aldo has been awfully quiet on twitter. I'm expecting some big news!

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  • January 5, 2014 at 11:54
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    Holloway was apparently at the game yesterday with Ambler; which I believe as Harris said something like your next manager is upstairs watching you and you have let yourself down. Holloway is good imo il look forward to seeing how he does because this is a big challenge. Also on the bright side his interviews will be a laugh

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  • January 5, 2014 at 12:03
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    I've seen this before, back in the early 80's we were an absolute mess, players didn't care club and fans in the gutter. then along came george graham. first thing he did was to introduce discipline. he made the players wear club suits when on club duty and to respect the fact they were in a privileged position. he cut out the deadwood kept us up,then got us up to div 2. within 4-5 seasons we were in the top flight. so to know were we are heading we have to look to our past, and it can work again. the players who put in that non performance should put there hands in their pockets and pay the money back to the 2000 fans who backed them arseholes!, fans who dig deep week in week out to watch these overpaid pampered fools wear our club colours with dis-honour are now fed up , so jb and aa sort this shower of s**** out asap, pronto , NOW!

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  • January 5, 2014 at 12:12
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    It would appear that holloway is going to be our next manager.

    Whether we like it or not, all Millwall fans must now unite behind him for the simple reason that if we don't we will be in an even worse position than we are now.

    So even if you dislike him, just get on board and if we can give him the support he needs, then at the very least, I expect that message to get across to the players.

    Only then will we get a Millwall team worthy of supporting.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 12:19
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      @bonnie1272: Exactly fans cant have the same mentality like they did towards Lomas, he was abused every game since Yeovil. Everyone needs to get behind Holloway.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 12:22
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      @bonnie1272: can see the fans getting behind holloway because we simply have no choice but to! Apart from Blackpool, whenever we go a goal down our heads drop and there's no coming back, only our support will improve the rot we're in! COYL

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  • January 5, 2014 at 12:57
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    Where is the evidence that Holloway will be the next manager? Not my choice at all but the club comes first.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 13:06
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      @Peckhamlad: 6/1 on with the bookies PL, that's all. However, these markets are very weak so that's not necessarily a huge amount of money driving those odds.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 15:10
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        @lion.ie:
        1/6 skybet
        1/5 bet victor
        1/4 paddy power

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  • January 5, 2014 at 13:02
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    He was the overwhelming favourite when the poll was put up the other week. So about a third of the fans will have got exactly who they wanted.

    He has no west ham connections that I know of and I think most of us feel we are going down as it stands so we need to back him 100% as finishing 21st this season will do.

    In fact whoever gets the job has my full support given the challenge they face.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 13:02
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    I repeat my post of the early hours:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1823597-ian-holloway-possibly-the-most-overrated-manager-in-history

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    • January 5, 2014 at 13:12
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      @lion.ie: good article to read I want Holloway to be our manager as a second choice, would much rather prefer Neil Warnock until the end of the season and then getting a foreign manager like a Pochettino for example.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 13:45
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        @millwallstephane: I was trying to put together a post to show that Holloway isn't all he is cracked up to be and found somebody had already done it for me!
        IMO I think this sort of appointment is a backward step and smacks of panic in the Boardroom. Lomas was the right type of appointment for us, young and hungry, and I think the Board need to be brave again. We are not in a hopeless position and have plenty of games left with no cup distractions. Our defence looks shot but it's not all down to the defence, the whole team needs to be set up not to lose for the next few games to give us a solid foundation to build on at the business end of the season.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 13:48
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        @millwallstephane: The players can't even understand plain english so getting a foreign coach would really confuse the little darlings.

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        • January 5, 2014 at 14:04
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          @Sealion: Working for Middlesbrough so far, buying those 3 Middlesbrough rejects was such a bad idea as well.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 13:25
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    It might be something and nothing but, I recall at some point last year reading a post which stated that the writer had seen or had been told that a 2017 local authority blueprint of the area shows a new Train station where the new bridge has been put in across Surrey Canal Rd and no Millwall Football Club! There have been signals put in either side of the bridge to control incoming and outgoing trains which would subsequently indicates the likelihood that this could be true.
    Perhaps the following questions need to be asked.
    Could this possibly be the orchestration of the beginning of the end?
    How can you consistently play so poor for so long without improvement?
    Are there things happening locally which we the Fans know nothing of?

    I would like to think that the above is all hearsay, however it does make you wonder what on earth is happening?

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    • January 5, 2014 at 13:40
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      Den man I said something very similar on here the other week that it,s only my conspire cry theory that possibly people are in this for the money that could be made especially all the money JB has loaned to the club I know at one time with the old Den the club owned more land than any other English team not sure what land we may or may not own now but it seems the club has been left just ticking over till the right time / money comes along. I got slated due to the fact that I don't attend games now but after suffering for 40plus years of throwing my money away I stopped going when we signed to 2 infamous Russian,s and went into administration however Millwall was born into me from my farther and all my family from Beemondsey if we start to invest in players and a decent manager without all these loaned mercenary players that only come for wages I would luv to return.

      We need players such as Keith Weller , Alf Woods etc who gave their all for the club every time they wore the shirt with the Lion

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      • January 5, 2014 at 13:47
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        @kell: the issue is we don't know about future plans - we do not have proper representation at board level

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      • January 5, 2014 at 14:03
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        @kell: not sure whether it's relevant but as you may be aware the new ground was built on Senegal Fields which was a local authority playing field, subsequently it wouldn't surprise me to find out that there was a clause put in place to enable the compulsory purchase of the ground for social housing whenever the time was right! Everyone knows how profiled Bermondsey has become, perhaps the club is now simply seen as an embarrassment by the local authority who would rather use the land for other purposes?
        Not sure whether our conspiracy is that far from the truth if I am honest!

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        • January 5, 2014 at 14:50
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          @Den man: http://surreycanal.com this link shows the plans for the redevelopment of the area. The Den and Millwall FC are very much in the middle.

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          • January 5, 2014 at 16:14
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            @the ref: @the ref: Yeah, never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory! (-:~

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          • January 5, 2014 at 18:16
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            @the ref: Great looking piece of work, however it only shows Artists impressions and is not a proper bonafide website! The post I recall reading mentioned a government backed blueprint, although this may also be nothing more than hearsay
            When you open the individual files and read what the developers intend to build on the available land you wonder how they will fit it all in!!
            The property developers will have no empathy with existing local feeling no matter what they may say.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 13:51
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      @Den man: The FA must be in on the plan as well as that would explain the crap officials we get week in week out.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 15:54
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      @Den man: I hope you are wrong about this lads, and must say that the evidence to support your claim is very anecdotal, therefore I tend to believe that the Surrey development plans are more realistic. Keep up the digging though and don't hesitate to raise this again as soon as some concrete evidence does surface. We do need to keep an eye on this, I don't think the danger comes from within our club, but I would not trust a property developer as far as I could spit.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 13:49
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    Go Forrest go hahaha

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  • January 5, 2014 at 13:50
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    look on the bright side everybody....we could be west ham. Sleeper agent Allerdyce is nearing the end of his mission....is there any odds on Big sam coming home

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  • January 5, 2014 at 14:02
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    Just had a look at some stats of managers results over the past 10 years. I added a few sucessful people and past managers to add a bit of context. If we were to have Holloway then based on these stats we would be picking up roughly 30 points out of the remaining 22 games (based on win and draw percentages) . That would leave us with 52 points come the 3rd May... is that enough? I dont think so.

    Manager % Win
    Alex Ferguson 59.7%
    Martin O'Neill 58.3%
    Eddie Howe 46.9%
    Dennis Wise 44.9%
    Uwe Rosler 44.1%
    Kenny Jackett 43.2%
    David Moyes 43.1%
    Owen Coyle 41.2%
    Neil Warnock 40.4%
    Mick Mccarthy 39.3%
    Ian Holloway 37.9%

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    • January 5, 2014 at 15:50
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      @SE12Lion: On that basis then lets get Dennis Wise back! A manager is only as good as his team .

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      • January 5, 2014 at 15:56
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        @Peckhamlad: Do you have the stats on what financial ruin each of these mangers left behind them when they eventually moved on. I'd take a lower win percentage so long as the club is not bankrupt at the end of the managers reign.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 14:44
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    Millwall Football Club is allegedly an integral part of the Surrey Canal renewal.
    Surrey Canal London Overground station will enable fans to get to the ground as I doubt that there will be anymore local parking.
    I hope that it will put to bed any conspiracy theories but I doubt it.

    http://surreycanal.com/

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    • January 5, 2014 at 15:57
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      @MillwallGra: I agree, I have not seen enough evidence to believe the alternative theories, but still its good that someone is keeping an eye on things.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 17:25
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    Gutted!, yesterday as I was sat in the home end, I realised our club is snookered, we need 17 new players!

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  • January 5, 2014 at 17:27
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    Gutted!. yesterday i realised our club is snookered, we need new players!

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  • January 5, 2014 at 17:27
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    Gutted!. yesterday i realised our club is wrecked, we need new players!h

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  • January 5, 2014 at 17:28
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    Ashamed of our players yesterday

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  • January 5, 2014 at 17:44
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    Disagree we need a whole new team some of them are decent;
    Malone, Woolford, Abdou and Forde are players I like the rest are dogshit.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 17:48
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    Feeney, Shittu, Easter, McDonald, Dunne, Morison, Keogh, Martin and other should just be sold/go back to parent clubs then we really should by Waghorn and base our team around him. He was outstanding gave 100% in every game like Abdou. To think we pay s*** like Bailey 15k a week.

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    • January 5, 2014 at 18:14
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      @millwallstephane: I admire you sentiment but there is no way Waghorn would come to us after our last few performances, he would not come to a club that are on the verge of relegation. He is a fine young player with a good future ahead of him.
      Why would he want to come to us, he even took a pay cut to play for us last time.
      There are many other championship clubs that would snap him up.

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      • January 5, 2014 at 18:16
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        @Sealion: Agree with you totally the fact is we pay players in our club who do nothing and contribute to helping us lose. Buying Waghorn is something we can make happen if he stays at Leicester till the end of the season which should be a priority. He is a player we can buy between 500k-1m and sell maybe in two years time for 2-3m.

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        • January 5, 2014 at 21:55
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          @millwallstephane: read the other day that we had a deal in place to buy him for 500k but that due to lomas going the deal was unlikely to go through!

          Yet we can manage to sign Hoyte, what a joke.

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          • January 5, 2014 at 22:14
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            @MFC Lion: Typical Millwall, would take Waghorn at Millwall any day, maybe we could get Dobbie now Holloway might be our manager.

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  • January 5, 2014 at 22:30
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    I reckon we can still get Waghorn to be honest. If he was willing to join when we had lomas I can't see Holloway, or anyone else for that matter, putting him off.

    If he enjoyed his time with us and wants guaranteed 1st team football why not come back?

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