Lomas: Millwall being frustrated in efforts to cut wage bill

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© Keith Gillard

STEVE Lomas says the financial gulf between the Championship and League One is making it difficult for Millwall to offload their fringe players.

Lomas has to trim the Lions' wage bill before he can bring in any more signings, with a new right back and a left winger top of his agenda, but admits little progress has been made on outgoing deals.

Clubs in the third tier can only spend 55 percent of their turnover on wages, thus making it harder for them to afford Championship players.



Lomas said: "We'd like to [bring in more players], but unfortunately from my point of view there were 18 players signed up when I came in, so the vast  majority of the budget was tied up. We'll have to speak to the chairman and see whether we can get a few out as well.

"The problem is, where do these boys go on their current contracts? If they go to League One, we would be lucky to recoup 50 percent of their wages. That's the dilemma.

"But this was something I knew about it, so we've just got to get on with it and try to move a few out – maybe we can create some finances to bring in a few more of my players.

"Hopefully there will be a bit of movement towards the end of August but it's very difficult when players are on Championship contracts and the clubs that want them are in League One. They don't want to pay their full contracts so that's the tough part."

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140 thoughts on “Lomas: Millwall being frustrated in efforts to cut wage bill

  • August 19, 2013 at 08:10
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    Why does Steve Lomas think that there would be a host of clubs beating down his door to sign players who are unable to claim a place in his side, wo have not scored a goal in 540 minutes andhave not kept a clean sheet and also have no points so far this term.

    Get real maybe you should have moved a few more on first to fee up money to go for someone who by defination did not want to come to a club on the slide, but the money may have helped in getting them top join.

    I saw his post match interview on the football league show, rabbit in front of the headlights seems to come to mind, and he was right the first goal was the one that counted, I am sure that none of the 9000 wall who were there on Saturday also knew that, what football planet is he on not ours I think.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 08:27
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    We need a manager that understands the passion we have at wall, if our wall get stuck in and play with pride and passion we can accept this we no we are a small club with not much budget, lomas you need to install this passion or else go rant over now come on wall lets show some passion and you will hear the roar from the fans when we see you putting it in millllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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  • August 19, 2013 at 08:28
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    Get rid of Moro and Derry. Instant wages for Shorey...
    What's to work out? Sure there are a few others who could be let go...
    I want to believe in the Lomas master plan, but it seems like he's making it up as he goes.
    I'm a fan of Moro, but we have our own players who should get games now and not be a sub for him.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 18:43
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      @DavyLion: Get rid of Derry? you obviously dont know about football BY FAR THE BEST PLAYER ON THAT PITCH FOR US SATURDAY #fact

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  • August 19, 2013 at 08:37
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    We've had a terrible start but I think Morison will come good, he took about 10 games to really get going last time he came in..... not sure why we've got Derry in - his experience is first class but he's old and apparently Gary Dicker is still training with us!!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 08:48
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    I think Lomas has talked the talk , brought in "better" players than the squad he inherited and is attempting to assemble a worthy Championship side. We all know about the financial constraints etc. I truly think it's about time the players took a long hard look in the mirror to find answers for their p*** poor start to the season. Lomas has little control once they cross the white line wearing our shirt. I say give him a chance.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 08:57
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      @Block 8: 8 your are right regarding the players but he sets out the game plan and picks the team, and is responsible for who he takes off and sends on during the game, but so far he is playing good players out of position and some of he subs have been hard to figure out take Saturday Easter and Chaplow ????.

      But its his decesion and in the end it could be his job as well, I did think when he was appointed that he could bring to the clube some of what he was like as a player and in his mission statement he also came over as that type of manager, but over the last 4 weeks he is more into sound bites that he seems to be rehashing from the KJ book of the same.

      So 8 I think it has a lot to do with him and also his coaching staff which he also appionted, lets hope they do turn it around, but if he does not by the 7th game I think it could be bye bye and Bomber will be in temp charge, because there will be no money left in the kitty to get someon who knows how to win in this league god help us COYL!!!!!

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      • August 19, 2013 at 09:50
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        @Barnlion:
        of course I fully understand Lomas is boss and lives by his decisions. My point being , it's a learning curve for him regarding formation , tactics and personnel to carry out his instructions. When we have a 100% lomas side , we'll have a better idea of his ability etc. As far as getting rid of him after 7 or so games and dropping Bomber in it , I don't agree. The players have a massive part to play in this and need to stand up and be counted.

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        • August 19, 2013 at 10:58
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          @Block 8: 8 I am not advocating that I am just anticipating what I think will be what the Chairman will do when the tipping point is reached, you may be right about a learning curve for him in trying to get his best formation, But surley as the league has started and we are 3 games in plus the COC comp he should have the nucleus of his first 11 sorted by now.

          But going on the last three games I would have thought he is not any closer than he was during the pre-season, I know its only 3 games but has he instilled any confidence in any of us who are watching this tragedy unfold, with have not scored a goal in the league since Blackburn last season 7 games ago, albeit 3 of thoses games where under KJ.

          But even with 2 new strikers and a goal scoring coach we are still fireing blanks, and whats worse we dont look like scoring at the moment, I would love him to turn it round but I cant see him doing it his body langauge on Saturday look very crest fallen and so it should, because we were woe fall and it was his team out there.

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        • August 19, 2013 at 13:40
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          @Block 8:

          But this is the championship, we have already lost three games . .The board brought him in as a manager not as an apprentice on a learning curve . . .There isn't the time for that . . Although I understand what your saying

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          • August 19, 2013 at 14:32
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            @Fingers: Too right fingers exactly what I was saying, we are not running a footbal managers training school, and I am sure that when JB hired him he did so that he was the finished artical, not on a learning curve.

            If it continues to go wrong yes its SL he will have to pay the price but also quite a few of the players will need to have a real good look in the mirror and see if they can see a Championship player looking back at them, and also the Millwalll board who have made this decsion to appoint him, when I am sure he was the only canidate as the others did not even have meetings becuase some where on holiday??

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    • August 19, 2013 at 09:49
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      @Block 8: Totally agree Block 8. He's got the players in that we wanted - Morro, Bailey Chaplow - we would have killed for a midfield like that last season. Something just isn't right. I'm not too sure about all this ''they need time to gel'' as I think they've had plenty of time get it right.

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      • August 19, 2013 at 18:29
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        @REAL Supporter:
        Cheers. We'll be ok very soon. If last season had been 2 games longer , we'd have gone down. SL has got a lot to do and needs time to do it.

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      • August 19, 2013 at 18:31
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        @REAL Supporter:
        I reckon not many people fancied the job due to the size of the mess that needs clearing up.

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        • August 20, 2013 at 07:40
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          @Block 8: I think you may well be right there. If Lomas was one of the few that wanted the job we certainly can't blame JB and the board for going with him. He's got the wheat now he needs to get rid of the chaff which will take time.

          Come on you Lions!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 09:00
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    If he can not get the fringe players out sell some of the players who would bring in money. Henry is always talked up Lowry if he is going to play at left back. Ask Jackett if he wants a couple of players he signed most of them. We have always sold good players so that we could bring in new. My worry at this time is JB if we do go down does he pull the plug then we have no Millwall. Sell the players that people want and bring in who you need

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  • August 19, 2013 at 09:03
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    He can't be blamed for the standard of players here when he took over, neither could he wait until they were gone before he brought others in (we could have been waiting a long time). Morison has started slowly but there weren't to many of us complaining about him coming back - a couple of goals and he'll be a hero again. It's not a good start but I'm sure, given a chance and the backing of the fans, things will improve - COYL

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    • August 19, 2013 at 18:47
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      @Adsy77777: someone who talks a bit of sense on here.. Morro is a premiership player, hes proved that, gone to leeds got injured and must not be 100%

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  • August 19, 2013 at 09:27
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    "But this was something I knew about it, so we've just got to get on with it......
    So get on with it Steve!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 09:56
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    Morison hasn't become crap just because he left us and is now back. He needs the service that he thrives on and should partner McDonald.
    As for the players that Lomas inherited that are not required, they're not good enough for the championship so if Millwall have to sub half their wages to League one clubs then do so. We aren't going to get rid of any of them otherwise and they'll just sit and collect championship wages, disrupt the mood at training and prevent any incomings. Cut your losses Lomas and move on !!!!!!!

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    • August 19, 2013 at 11:44
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      @NICKOLA: Agreed, some of the old squad wont raise a penny so its best to cut your losses.
      I wouldn't mind betting that Jackett will put a bid in for Keogh once Doyle inevitably moves on. Lowry is another one who would raise some funds.
      Derry? I dont know. Would have rather seen the dough spent on a defender.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 15:30
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      @NICKOLA: Hey Nikola! Couldn't agree more! Mcdonald and Moro sounds like quite a force and service is most definatly the key!

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    • August 19, 2013 at 18:49
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      @NICKOLA: And then what do you do when they go to league one dont perform and theyre back with us in january or next season with another year or 2 on their contract

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      • August 19, 2013 at 19:29
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        At least part of their wages would be paid.

        @dilen7:

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  • August 19, 2013 at 10:18
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    shoreys now training at bristol city lomas treated him dicracefully

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    • August 19, 2013 at 12:39
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      @thepromiselandbeckons:Well at least he got him fit so he will be able to play against us in the near future, what a guy!!

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    • August 19, 2013 at 18:52
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      @thepromiselandbeckons: your just full of B****** and clearly dont know s***... just cause someone is training with a club it doesnt mean he wants to play for that team......

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  • August 19, 2013 at 10:23
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    Morrison is being asked to play out of position,we all know he operates better in the channels or from out wide,because of the long ball crap he's being used as a target man and has been out jumped in 3 games.The problem being we don't really have another natural target man,its not Keoghs game or Easter,that leaves us with a problem if this managers ethos is stoke-Wimbledon low intelligence putrid rubbish,I've got a revoulutionary suggestion,lets ask bailey,chaplow,Derry,Henry etc to play passing football,before we hit the 1000 minute mark without a goal.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 10:33
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    SL knew that the there were a number of players in the squad he inherited that were not Championship standard but were still under contract. He still made his signings which have inflated the wage bill and now with 2 weeks to go to the close of the transfer window he is complaining that he can't shift any of them. Derry for one should be sent back to QPR because if he was to play Chaplow in his proper central midfield position that's one player we wouldn't need.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 18:54
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      @denslions: so would you be happy with the team we had last season without the players we had on loan......? NO exactly. Derry is our best player at the moment and you want to send him back.. are you mad

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  • August 19, 2013 at 10:37
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    if he knew wages were a prob what the f*** is morison doing here and derry leeds and qpr must be laughing. wheres the mill we had lined up for wood, wheres the cup run money gone then and tv revenue we were live 4 times on espn dont lie millwall peterborough just got relegated and broke their trf record their board have it right

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    • August 19, 2013 at 19:52
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      @thepromiselandbeckons: the money's gone on wages and don't forget Peterborough sold Gayle for £6mill+ this summer

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  • August 19, 2013 at 10:53
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    Millwall managed to escapte relegation by the skin of their teeth and KJ was responsible for signing a number of less able players. I would have thought before rushing in to sign so many players SL would have taken stock of the situation. I realise he did not have a lot of time, nor money that is not his fault. However he might have given himself some extra slack by not signing so many..then play them out of position. Trotter and Forde are yet to return which will give the team a boost but it is the forward line that needs sorting out. Easter has to play alongside Morrison, Why leave Feeney out? He is quick and crosses the ball well and plays to feet. Whatever everyones feelings unfortunately Millwall are going to have to work with what they have got and we have to get behind them.
    For once I hope SL makes me and other critics eat our words in a few weeks time and prove he is the manager we want. I will be the first to hold my hands up and say" I was wrong sorry mate". Wishful thinking?

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  • August 19, 2013 at 11:43
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    It's going to take alot more than 3 games to get our team playing good football again.
    No wonder KJ called it a day when he did. He knew the team was s*** and plastered over the cracks for most of last season. SL has got a major rebuilding job on his hands. No doubt he has brought in quality players, but tbh financially, we can't compete with the likes of QPR, Wigan etc... who will happily spend £2 Million on a player and pay them a good wage.
    Like I said before I reckon SL's got until the Charlton and Leeds game to start getting it right.
    If we get to those games and there hasn't been any sign of improvement, then SL has got BIG problems.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 11:52
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    Leicester are releasing Paul Konchesky. Probably 20k pw.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 12:07
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    it dont make sense to me , why bring derry in , when we have a perfect cm in chaplow , its been plain to see for two seasons , a leftback is what we need , if i was JB I WOULD SAY NO MORE PLAYERS , if you look at burnley they have used the same 11 for 3 games , he needs to stick with the same side and stay with it , it was stupid dropping dunn second game in , then malone dont even make bench , WHY PUT JACK SMITH ON THE BENCH WHEN WE HAVE ROBBO AND JIMMY TO COVER WHY NO DG , HIS THE ONLY ONE TO SCORE FOR RESERVES.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 13:16
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      @munson68: I watched Easter and DNG play together and they were both sharp and menacing DNG got deep into the box and was unlucky once not to find the back of the net. Yet he cannot even make the subs bench. Seems SL cannot make his mind up..or he is getting bad advice from his assistants.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 19:01
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      @munson68: Derry has more talent in his big left toe than DNG has in his whole body.. we want players that can knock the ball about see a 40yard pass and get it to the players feet... derry , EVERYONE ON THIS SITE is aiming at Morro and Derry... what about CR7 we have on the right wing trying to take a player on in our own half (henry) who loses the ball more times than i bite my nails watching wall .... Shittu i love him, but hes been absolutely terrible , morro should get dropped but people saying send him back. pfftt please and have DNG and Marquis up top DO ME A FAVOUR... i would love to know how many of you lot go to watch us week in week out

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      • August 19, 2013 at 19:20
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        @dilen7: fear point about dng and marquis , but you have got my point wrong , i mean dng as sub , why put jacksmith on the bench when we have cover on the bench ,and derry is a good player but one to many we dont need , its leftback we need chaplow could fill the cm place , instead of the left .

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  • August 19, 2013 at 12:14
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    Bottom line is this-
    Lomas inherited some poor players.
    He had a budget and brought in a lot of players.
    He couldn't sign Shorey as he didn't manage to offload any.
    He's currently trying to offload them and therefore should do what ever it takes to do so.
    IMO he'll retain-Forde,Dunne, Robinson, Beevers, Trotter, Henry and Easter. The others that he inherited should be either loaned out for the season with a percentage of wages paid if necessary, sold or given away with contracts paid up. If none of those happen then they should be told that they're not in his plans. Period. That usually gets things moving.
    He still wants to bring in more so somethings going to have to give. Can't argue with the incomings as they're good players though I still don't see the need for Derry but obviously he does.
    Time is running out in the transfer window, for the current standing to improve massively and with his relationship with the supportes. I can't see Berylson giving out any more money to top up the transfer budget. Players HAVE to go. Steve, you were instrumental in getting players in. Now is the time to get some out. Urgently.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 19:02
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      @NICKOLA: LOMAS DOES NOT WANT SHOREY, HE WOULD BE WITH US IF HE WANTED HIM

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  • August 19, 2013 at 13:16
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    people keep knocking sl but the players have got look at them selves lomas didnt make the mistakes that led to goals against us .
    yeovil their player should have been closed down before he scored not sl fault.
    ipswich two own goals and shitt beaten to the header not sl fault.
    huddsfield dunny beaten to the header not sl fault.
    look at the goals we should have scored but woefully missed.
    so get off sl back its the players that have to stand up and be counted.
    so be realistic when aiming the mud get real its not all lomas its the players.
    iif we had scored with the chances we should have taken we would have 3/4 points.
    so leave lomas alone his problem is the players are not doing it.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 13:40
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    In any other profession, people that are underperforming and not up to do the job they are paid for would have their contract terminated, why should footballers be any different!!!!!!!!!!
    SL should sit down with the palyers he wants out, tell them their contracts will be terminated, giving them 3 moths wages as severance while they attempt to find a new job/club.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 14:38
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      @Davey: Do you work for the Mafia? (-:~

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      • August 19, 2013 at 19:47
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        @lion.ie: ha ha, just pisses me off that poor players and those that play with no passion can't be released easier

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    • August 19, 2013 at 17:22
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      @Davey: Its all well and good giving them "3 moths wages" but how much does a moth earn ?

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      • August 19, 2013 at 19:49
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        @Sealion: all depends on the quality of the moth

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    • August 19, 2013 at 17:30
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      @Davey: the problem is their will be a clause in their contacts saying they have to be paid in full.

      SL could always do what Leeds and QPR have done and offer to pay some of their wages!!!

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      • August 19, 2013 at 19:51
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        @bonnie1272: Totally agree unfortunately, would be interesting to pay them nothing and see what a tribunial decide !!!!!!!!!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 13:52
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    is it true that we want paul caddis from swindon town

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    • August 19, 2013 at 13:58
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      Thought that Blackpool were signing him. Either way, Millwall aren't signing anyone until we've offloaded.

      @boblion:

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  • August 19, 2013 at 14:17
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    Try sitting in the Directors Box Mr.Lomas and get a real overview of the game. Watch the players who are putting in and those that are not. You can not see much at ground level and keep talking to the hangers on will not help you. I for one want you to succeed give yourself a better chance and watch the game from the best seat in the house. If you do sit in the stands don't listen to the FOTB

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  • August 19, 2013 at 14:31
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    Having been away at the weekend I have now caught up on the comments since Saturday's disappointing but not altogether surprising defeat and I've had a good chuckle at some of the over reactions to the disappointing start and some of the continued criticism of the players, particularly Morison and Henry. Admittedly I only get the highlights from Lions Player but there is enough in the last two games to suggest that we are going to be alright, although not tearing up the division as some people predicted. I thought we might have picked up our first point on Saturday and but for a disallowed goal, a cracking save from their keeper and one bit of shocking defending at a set piece we could have taken the point or better. I wasn't a fan of the Lomas appointment, not because of the West Ham connection, but because he has no experience in this division and because I think Scottish football is a Mickey Mouse league. But now he is here, he needs time to make his mark. I've said all along, nine games in, the end of September. That's when we'll have an idea of where our season is going and whether SL is up to the job. Lastly, anybody who thinks DNG deserves a shot ahead of Morison is deluded.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 15:14
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    Lomas has brought in Morison Bailey Chaplow Martin and Derry and was gifted Easter. That's six players that should have made a huge difference when added to the best already at the club. It hasn't. We've seen poor performances every one of them in the league worthy of defeat. From what the fool is now seems to be saying (as he blames everything bar himself) is that he need two full backs and implies those already here can't play the system he wants to play. My question is why play that system then? Right now all we have is the players for the usual 4 - 4 - 2 though half short of a left winger ( a position not to be filled by Chaplow under any circumstances) which is something almost the entire crowd can see - much like we could all see how well Easter was playing Saturday but still got hooked. Lomas is an idiot in my view - another t***** full of all the modern speak and b******* to baffle brains but when it comes to the sharp end fails miserably. No one will be more pleased than I should he ram those words down my throat but I fear he's got us on the road to disaster and by the time the clubface up to that it'll be too late.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 15:37
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      @Old_Les: Dont forget Bywater Les and I also got Shorey fit so he was able to go to Bristol City after him being with us for the month, good eh.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 15:52
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      @Old_Les: AT LAST GOOD POINT , FULLBACKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRST ON THE LIST , ITS A SHAME ADAM SMITH WAS TREATED POOR BY KJ AT THE END , BECAUSE HE GAVE US SOMETHING MORE , I BEEN SAYING FOR TWO SEASONS A LEFT BACK ,
      IS KEY . IF HE IS GOING TO PLAY THAT SYSTEM HE NEEDS TO USE MCDONALD AS A MALCOLM ALLEN TYPE ROLE , AND A TARGET MAN , WHICH IS NOT MORRO,

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    • August 19, 2013 at 16:41
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      Good points Les but I do think that once Chaplow plays centre mid with Martin out left we'll be better balanced. I have no idea at all as to why Derry was brought in when a defender was more important. Now, we can't do anything until we get rid of a few. It's no surprise that he's having difficulty in offloading, so action to make things happen is paramount. I'd like to think that we'll say goodbye to Derry and bring in what's needed, but the transfer window looms on the horizon. I can't see the justification either in saying he hasn't got the players he wants. He's brought in a lot of good players and from previous quotes rates Forde, Robinson and Trotter. He hasn't got the time to replace the entire eleven from last season nor the time to get them working together before we get well and truly marooned at the bottom. I'm still optimistic for the season and genuinely think we'll get the three points this saturday but only if he plays the team in their correct positions and changes the tactics, because to date what he's done hasn't worked.
      @Old_Les:

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      • August 19, 2013 at 19:32
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        @NICKOLA: We'd all like to see Chaplow centre midfield where he belongs - all except the soppy c*** that's picking the team, There's a huge fallacy in professional football where all the so called experts think they know better than the man in the stand who watches week in week out. Starting to think that Lomas is one of the worst examples of this with all his stupid decisions and formations. Never asked for this in my life before of any Millwall manager including Petchey, Anderson and the biggest p**** of all Big Nose but every time I log on to the internet I hope for the news Lomas has grown a brain and resigned. C*** of a manager (IMO) from a Mickey Mouse league where his win ratio was 33%. Ask yourself this - if Celtic were in the Championship would they win it? I very much doubt they would. As always I sign off with the prayer that the ginger w***** turns it around and turns it around well though I cannot take a single crumb from any of the games so far that suggests he can.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 17:27
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      @Old_Les: agree with you old boy!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 15:36
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    KJ put us on that road last season when he lost the dressing room! Lomas is in the process of building and will take more than three games! Lets give him til Christmas and see where we go from there. I think I'd be happy with mid table by that point after this start and push on in the 2nd half to sneak a possible 6th place! Optimism is the key!

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    • August 19, 2013 at 15:38
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      @kempo_123: Even I would not give me till Christmas if we were in the same S*** you know that it makes sense even thou I feel like a Turkey wishing for Christmas.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 16:02
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      @kempo_123: XMAS IS TO LONG , WE HAVE ALL SEEN WHAT HAPPENED TO WOLVES BY MAKING TWO BAD APPOINTMENT , WE WOULD NEVER GET ENOUGH POINTS IF WE WAIT THAT LONG , THE GAME AT VALLEY WILL BE THE ONE , IF THERES NO POINTS BY THEN , ITS 21 POINTS LOST , JB HAS NO OPTION , THERES ABOUT SEVENTY POINTS TO PLAY FOR AFTER XMAS IF WE WAS IN TOP FORM YOU ARE LOOKING GETTING HALF THAT , AND THAT IS DOWN

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    • August 19, 2013 at 17:24
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      @kempo_123: Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. Cannot wait that long

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  • August 19, 2013 at 16:01
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    Get rid of Lomas before it’s too late. Pre-season he had all the mouth about a team playing with pride and passion and how the Den should be a fortress again. I’ve seen two matches now with no passion, no points and no ideas. It’s still excuses about work in progress and needing yet more players, how many more defeats at the Den do you want Lomas? I was sickened by a team that resorts to the long ball which on Saturday Morro was beaten to every time.
    We do have good players, so let’s start with Robbo back in to show some pride and passion which may ripple into the others before it’s too late.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 17:22
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    Just goes to show how much it costs to employ an average squad player at championship level.

    Surely Lomas realised this problem when he took over? And if he didn't, someone at the club should have!

    From the outset he spent money in attracting new players and rightly so. The squad he inherited wasn't good enough. We all knew this, so why wasn't lomas told. Maybe he was, hence the quote "everyone gets a clean slate".

    So now the questions- you wanted to keep them, why are you unwilling to pay them?

    Why are you surprised that no one can afford their wages at lower league levels?

    Why not pay up their contracts and cut your losses?

    Why acquire players that I am sure are on higher wages than those inherited?

    Why not work to the budget that your chairman set - like every other business has to?

    How the f*** do you expect Millwall to pay these players if we go down?

    And I'm sure there are plenty more.

    We won't get the answers to any of the above because we are just supporters and ultimately they may cost him his job.

    I sincerely hope JB asks them though.

    Having had my initial support once talking the talk, I am of the opinion that he is not experienced enough in running a small club of our size and league standing.

    Stop commenting and get on with what you are being overpaid to do.

    Run our f****** club properly!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 17:54
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    Simple answer, - Play the whole under 18 team (just beat Palace 4-1) against Sheff Wed, sell anyone from the first team we get an offer for, use the money to start rebuilding, feeding any new players into the under-18 team gradually as we get them. All within the next 2 weeks. Can that be any worse than what we've got right now??

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    • August 19, 2013 at 18:15
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      @Profiler4: LOIKE THE SOUNDS OFF THAT WE DO HAVE SUM GOOD ONES TO WHY BRING IN BIG NAME PLAYERS THAT ARE NO DIFF FROM WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE

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    • August 19, 2013 at 19:48
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      @Profiler4: Totally agree at least they will be hungry for it unlike the first team .

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  • August 19, 2013 at 18:20
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    It wasn't that long ago that everyone was popping a boner over Lomas! Now listen to it all! Its 3 f****** games and everyone is calling for the mans balls! Is every club as fickle as Millwall or are we an exception? We have the best squad in years! Lets just chill the f*** out people!

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    • August 19, 2013 at 19:52
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      @kempo_123: the only problem with its only 3 games all the other teams have played the same and had pre season training and games,no one has been as dismal as us no goals no points sorry that's worrying,and not and acceptable excuse !.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 20:59
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      @kempo_123: Well said mate - he might be out of his depth, he might be the man we've all been crying out for BUT 3 games chaps............ I will still back him and most of the players (Wright and Marquis are just not good enough) until he has had a chance to get it right (or wrong as the case may be. Success this year for us would be an improvement on last years showing. Even with all the outlay we are still on one of the smallest budgets; add to that we're a team with a new manager and mostly a new team. We can afford to lose a few games and STILL improve on last years performance. We were losing and not scoring most of last year, he, and the players need time to get it right IMO.

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      • August 19, 2013 at 21:07
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        @Adsy77777: We're only seven points from the play off positions Adsy! (-:~

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        • August 19, 2013 at 21:14
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          @lion.ie: My old nan used to say 'things usually turn out for the best for people who hope for the best'. That's the spirit Lion!!!!!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 18:29
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    its not just what SL has inherited hes also brought in unfit and players not worthy of wearing the shirt,at the end of the day when, not if this goes tits up SL will be on his bike the players will jump ship and it us the fans thats left with the fallout.
    Back to years of league 1 football waiting for an eternity to come back as a force,the writings on the wall JB needs to admit his made a mistake and sort it asap.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 19:33
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    Having taken a step back after the weekend defeat, I'm ready to comment on what I think is fundamentally wrong with our home form and I think fear of making mistakes is s real problem for our players. It was the first game of thr season against Yeovil that confirmed yhid fot me. After 6 mins of the new season had past James Henry made a mistake with a pass and what followed was an absolute barrage of abuse from our supporters..not just an odd comment but real hurtful abuse. I can understand if we were 3-0 down but this was just 6 mins into the new season. This happened to DNG its happend to Allan Dunne and many other players over 2013. We need to
    get on and support our team when they need it most, and that means good times and bad during a game. SL made errors on subs on Saturday but only according to the fans, he made them to try and get a goal. At the moment he's damned if does damned if he don't. We as fans have got to stop putting pressure on players, I read people saying "get stuck in" footballers cant do that anymore, the days of Terry Hurlock have gone. Get real and lets sort ourselves out and let the players play.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 22:25
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      @ozeyn117: spot on mate I said that the other day I am a millwall I want the best for our club just wished we all felt the same but its never gonna happen that's y we play better away I think

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  • August 19, 2013 at 19:45
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    I reckon we'll be around 3/1 to beat Wednesday on Saturday. That's a good price IMO, all emotion put aside.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 20:35
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    Sounds like Lomas is making excuses already or he is just saying it how it is!

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  • August 19, 2013 at 20:40
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    Like to make a point that no one seems to have mentions. Do you think that Lomas really wants to fail, he has come to Millwall to enhance his reputation. He will live or die at Millwall, he has got players in our side that we could have only dream of last year. If he fails who is going to give him a job. So I suggest we give him the time and the support he needs to pull this off. I reckon in a few weeks you will be singing his praises. Fingers crossed.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 21:04
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      @sups8892: Excellent point. He could have stayed at St Johnstone with European football on offer. Success or failure here defines his future career as you say. I reckon he wants success as much as we do. You've made me think twice about him. Let's hope he does turn it round.

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      • August 19, 2013 at 22:28
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        @Profiler4: I like it every body is getting on board need to get the banners out now

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    • August 19, 2013 at 21:09
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      @sups8892: Whether he wants to succeed or not is irrelevant. It's whether he has the ability to do so. You're right though, he needs to be given a fair crack of the whip.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 21:38
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    People chill out, lomas out after 3 games come on give his a chance, he's not wet spam anymore, it will come good and when it does we will be hard to beat, so most of you will be eating humble pie.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 22:22
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    Totally agree with the point made earlier about the players receiving the torrent of hatred/abuse. A few season ago I witnessed Alan Dunne getting so much abuse from the section of the crowd we were in that when he had to take a throw in several fans run down to the wall/barrier and hurled some of the most vile abuse I've ever heard at one of our own players. He looked petrified almost to the point where I thought he was gonna cry. He has gone on to be IMO a proper millwall type player who gives his all. Sportsmen regardless of what sport they play need to be comfortable whilst performing. If they are worried about making a mistake , they probably will. I'm not saying that fans aren't entitled to an opinion, but I do think that some fans cross the line. Why don't we, just as a suggestion, back our own players and save the abuse for the opposition . This may start boosting the boys confidence, get them playing to the best of their ability and i do believe we have a lot of ability and it may start making The Den become the fortress it once was. Unfortunately I doubt this abuse towards our own players will stop soon so we are always gonna give the opposition a head start.

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    • August 19, 2013 at 22:56
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      @SE11 Lion: You are right about the booing of our own players, it hardly gives them or the others any confidence. If we want the team to succeed and win then the players not only need encouraging but feel welcome on the pitch. They become despondent and the rot starts through the dressing room. Give them a boost and roar the team on. After all those that do boo are booing someone in a Millwall shirt.

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  • August 19, 2013 at 22:33
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    se11 how can we get this mess across to all the fans cos its just wat needs to be herd mate we r againt our self no1 else

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  • August 19, 2013 at 23:34
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    I would say that Lomas is having to focus on three fronts. Players in for a major rebuild, league one standard players out on loan deals coz no one can afford to buy them and that looks to me like asking your neighbour if he would mind letting your dog s*** in his garden instead of your own. And finally keeping us fans happy. To me he comes across well, I don't feel like he's giving us a load of b*******. He's talking candidly with no agenda. I can see what he's trying to do and he ain't gonna do it in the first month. Give the bloke a chance to bring it round, he's putting square pegs in round holes at the moment for reasons he and the coaches will understand, he trusts those players to do a job there for him even though its not ideal. He's bringing McD along slowly and once he gets the right formula SM will start banging them in. Lets get behind him and the boys eh!

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    • August 19, 2013 at 23:40
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      @Swanny: Sense from you as usual Swanny, from recent posts there are a few of us who understand it's gonna take time, thankfully!!!!

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    • August 20, 2013 at 07:45
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      @Swanny: Well said, Swanny.

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    • August 20, 2013 at 15:41
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      @Swanny: Can’t agree with you here Swanny. Last season we had the same players and up in the playoffs, main difference of course is someone that could bang ‘em in. The confidence went through the team. Can’t understand why KJ could not sign CW as it would have been less long term that this lot we have just got. Even SL said that is was up front the problem, now its midfield and defenders!

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      • August 20, 2013 at 16:21
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        @AireLys: Surely it's time to stop banging on about not signing Chris Wood isn't it ???

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      • August 20, 2013 at 21:11
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        @AireLys: cos we offerd wood 15000 and they offerd him 30000 its a no brainer really

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  • August 20, 2013 at 00:33
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    If he goes can I have one I them jumpers he wears!

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  • August 20, 2013 at 08:57
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    On a positive note....
    http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/article/three-sy-does-it-palace-1002580.aspx

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  • August 20, 2013 at 08:57
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    Oh, and Shorey is being offered a deal this week too

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    • August 20, 2013 at 09:34
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      @sketchybean: Sketchy as there is no new news on hear today, who is offering him a contract Bristol City or some other club, because it can not be us as our Manager has already stated he needs to move people out before he can bring anyone in???

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  • August 20, 2013 at 09:02
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    Just support the players like you would if you were supporting yours son or daughters football team. Encourage and try to lift them if they make a mistake, don't s*** them down, players do not play bad on purpose. Lack of effort is different that just winds everybody up. We are at the start of a new era who knows what way it will go. Fact ! Players who have come in are a vast inprovement on what we had. Fact ! Some of the players we have are not good enough. Fact ! It will take time to get everyone to gel and start playing. Fact ! As I said earlier Lomas has put his reputation on the line here, he does not want to fail. Fact ! If we all support the players and staff it's better than slagging them off , that does no one any good.Fact ! 10 games down the line if the situation has not change, then maybe he Lomas ain't got it and the board will have to address the situation. Till then chaps be patience I know it's frustrating. X

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    • August 20, 2013 at 09:29
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      @sups8892: Fully agree with you and Swanny.
      People on here (me included) have suggested at times about bringing the kids in and getting them integrated into the side, but I can now see the managements reluctance in going down that path.
      The abuse that our senior players are getting is totally unacceptable and is affecting their performance but can you imagine what kind of effect that would have on an 18 year old, it could well end their career before it had started.

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  • August 20, 2013 at 10:30
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    For a moment I thought I was on a Palace message board some of the sixth form garbage on here.

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  • August 20, 2013 at 10:50
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    If you want to see a success story with the kids in the championship have a look at Birmingham brought through a number of quality kids all over the park,(Redmond)being the best, all be them being almost forced into doing it, it has worked, although I dislike the manager lee Clark (opinion) his not scared to force players out that are on far more then millwall players, marlon king ! Peter lovenkrans ! 6'8 Zigic is on 60,000 to 75,000 grand a week and have been unable to sell him for the past 3 years. I no this is a Wall forum but other team are in dire states !

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    • August 20, 2013 at 12:19
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      @Bush: Isn't it a bit early to be holding Brum up as an example? They have three points and have scored one goal, losing both of their home games.

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      • August 20, 2013 at 12:41
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        @lion.ie: last season the Brummys had 5 or 6 youth players and almost crashed into the play offs, having lost at home to Barnsley 5 nil !! At the start of last season...

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        • August 20, 2013 at 13:11
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          @Bush: They finished five points above us and won the same amount of games, we were crashing the play-offs at one point. They may have blooded five or six youth players out of necessity but they haven't retained them in the squad this season. I'd love to see us discover a couple of gems and get them in the first team, but only if they're good enough. You only have to look at the abuse that young players like Marquis get on these forums to see that a player has to be truly good enough at Championship level and ready for it mentally.
          We only restarted our academy last year, so it might take a few years before we start discovering the local nuggets like we did in the past.

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          • August 20, 2013 at 13:36
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            @lion.ie: very much still in and round their squad but squad rotation is not on any managers mind, doomed if they do doomed if they don't, perhaps we should throw some into the deep end that's were you get the robbo's, Craig's we have had so many players on are books that have no space to express themselves ...

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  • August 20, 2013 at 11:52
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    In dire straits perhaps but still able to win a game and score a goal. £ games, no points, no wins, n goals and worse still shocking team performances without a vestige of a tactic or thoughtful substitution. Just all desperate stuff and some of you still defend this fool.

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    • August 20, 2013 at 11:58
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      @Old_Les: Who would you have Les bearing in mind our financial position and who would want to come here ? "I seem to remember none of the other so called candidates mentioned hardly inspired the critics on here. So come on Les who is you realistic proposition ?

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      • August 20, 2013 at 12:32
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        @Sealion: good post sealion apart from thec and f swear words old les is a bit lost on realism as i said in an earlier post it was not sl who made the school boy mistakes that led to the goals against us and it was not sl who missed the good chances we to score it was the players its up to them to show more commitment and passion . if you look at the two goals v wimbdon hardly anr pleasure shown by the scorers mr cahill in his days here would have been shirt off running around the pitsh celebrating with the crowd thats shows passion for his team .unfortunatly old les can only call sl a f ing c unt .

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      • August 20, 2013 at 12:34
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        @Sealion: There's a fair view managers out there with no job but lots of relevant experience. They may not be world beaters but at least would be ship steadiers. Warnock is a name that springs instantly to mind if he wanted the job and I'm sure he'd take it. My fear is this - Lomas looks clueless so far and there isn't a positive sign from the team - in fact it gets worse. We could have lost by two or three on Saturday and every defeat has been deserved. So we give him time (which he will get of course) and we've got say 2 points after seven games. New manager comes in and of course would need at least 3 games to settle and by then we could be as good as relegated. A grim scenario perhaps and hope it doesn't happen but seen it all before. This time if it goes tits up I shan't be forking out 40 notes in petrol to attend games because I won't be going.

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        • August 20, 2013 at 12:50
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          @Old_Les: A "fair few" managers out there (typo)

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    • August 20, 2013 at 12:27
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      @Old_Les: To be fair Les, I don't see many defending what's gone on so far but there are some of us willing to give him a bit more time to put things right. I can't get to the games so have to read between the lines here to try and get a balanced view on performances e.t.c. and then use Lions Player for the highlights. From where I sit it doesn't look all doom and gloom on the pitch but I'm not paying money every week to sit through it. He needs three/four results, including a couple of wins, from his next six to buy himself more time. Anything less and it's going to become impossible for him. Maybe it's because I'm removed from the hostile atmosphere but I have a gut feeling we are going to win on Saturday, fingers crossed.

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    • August 20, 2013 at 21:14
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      @Old_Les: shouldn't u have put a comma after perhaps old boy!

      Don't want to pick you up on your grammar but needs must!

      0:) lol

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  • August 20, 2013 at 12:23
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    @Barnlion (Please be warned i was only trying to lighten the moood, i hate moaning and other people moaning for that matter, hence the post of the Millwall U18's whooping palarse and a "potential" signing from dirty daily star about Shorey. I am fully aware of what Lomas said about bringin in new players. But im also fully aware of the lots of BS that newspapers print.) NOLU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/333561/Nicky-Shorey-to-be-offered-Millwall-deal

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    • August 20, 2013 at 12:35
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      @sketchybean: Sketchy old boy I was not having a dig at you as I posted that there is not much news on hear today, Aldo is doing his piece for Thursdays Southwark News, but "your scoop" from the Daily Star is slightly old but even so I would still love him to come here as the full back situation is a bit dire.

      Not much in the way of cover in that department and lets be honest they dont inspire any confidence when defending, so i for one would welcome him at the Den, anyway another game on Saturday afternoon I cant wait to find out who and what formation we play and who he subs.

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        • August 20, 2013 at 13:23
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          @Alex Aldridge: Alex great to hear from you once again, but I never said that we were going to sign him in either of my post's on this, I think you will find it was skethybean who said about this being in the Daily Star.

          Anyway all I siad was that I would still like him at the club as IMO we need a couple but if not one additional full back at the Den to improve compition and incase of injury as I feel we are a little light in this department. But still good to see your simling face again as its been to long since you joined in the banter mate.

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  • August 20, 2013 at 13:20
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    To change topic slightly I keep checking the clubs website hoping for another piece of uplifting news and I keep reading about our ultimate match day experience, apparently you can spend some time with a director and have a fancy meal all for a reasonable price of well over £100. I just wanted to say my ultimate match day experience is a bloody home win with (I know I'm pushing the boat out) a couple of goals to celebrate.

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    • August 20, 2013 at 13:26
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      @dragonflymfc: Dragon (its not Theo is it) you and another 9500 of us as well mate.

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  • August 20, 2013 at 13:40
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    Old les did you ever play football

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    • August 20, 2013 at 13:53
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      @sups8892: Oh dear superior up his own a*** c*** alert. What a pointless remark and next time learn a bit of grammar and put a question mark at the end. For your information fool yes I did - most likely at a better level than you ever will, as did my Dad, my father in law (international albeit only Eire) and my son who almost certainly played at a better level than you (your remark is that of a 12 year old so you most likely just playing Cub football). I've also managed teams and one day you'll learn (if you ever develop a brain) that basic principles of football apply whether it's a pub side or the Brazilian national team. That personal history doesn't make me better than you (though I surely am) or anyone else but it does help qualify me to hold a valid opinion while on the other hand your post makes you look a bit of a p****.

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    • August 20, 2013 at 13:54
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      @sups8892: Yeah table football.

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  • August 20, 2013 at 14:02
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    You dont like being on the end of a wind up do you old son!

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  • August 20, 2013 at 14:12
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    On the subject of players playing scared, I think this is a get out clause, do you really believe any player who has ever heard of Millwall did not know what they were signing up for? It's not like we have changed in the past 3 games. Playing for Millwall is a challenging but ultimately a very rewarding experience if you put in the effort and show some semblance of ability and I'm sure most ex millwall players (hulse excepted) would attribute to that. The are handsomely rewarded for their career and perhaps could earn an easier buck elsewhere but when our 10000 fans are behind you it must be a fantastic feeling. If you can't take abuse than millwall probably isn't your club.

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  • August 20, 2013 at 14:32
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    Definitely a low news day, 130 posts on this one. Lol

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  • August 20, 2013 at 15:17
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    Les old chap, really no need to get that personal. The point l was trying to make is that if you have been involved in any type of football which you say you have. Then slaging down managers and players is not very constructive, l am sure you will agree . Have you thought about an anger management course ?

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    • August 20, 2013 at 15:24
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      @sups8892: Where have I slagged any players?????? Quite the reverse where (for example) Morison is concerned. I am not slagging the manager I am criticising the manager because I believe him to be a fool who has over promised and under delivered. You'll also note that I've always added the rider I hope I'm wrong but I fear that won't be the case.. Why would I need an anger management course? I'm retired and have no need to work let alone take an anger management course so I can teach people what I already know.

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  • August 20, 2013 at 18:33
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    Iv had enough already 🙁

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  • August 20, 2013 at 21:24
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    sad

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  • August 21, 2013 at 07:56
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    Apart from my mrs I've never come across anyone who takes criticism worse than les,you seem very aggressive and bitter old chap.

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