Millwall fail with second bid for Bantams target man

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MILLWALL have had a second bid for Bradford City striker James Hanson turned down.

Lions chief executive Andy Ambler made the approach in Portugal at the Football League’s annual conference.

But Bradford’s joint chairman Mark Lawn said the bid fell well short of the Bantams’ valuation of the player.

He told the Telegraph and Argus: “I had a chat with him over there and he moved his bid slightly. But it’s nowhere near the valuation that we put on James.

“So unless they meet our criteria, James will remain our player. I’m not sure if they’ll come back. They said they weren’t going to up it from the first bid so you never know.”

Hanson scored 11 goals last season as Bradford dumped Chelsea out of the FA Cup on their way to the quarter-finals.

John Kelly

(@jkelly1882)

82 thoughts on “Millwall fail with second bid for Bantams target man

  • June 12, 2015 at 09:59
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    Hopefully that turns our attention to Andy Williams released by Swindon. Also find it concerning that AA is having a big say in our transfers once again

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:27
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      @Josh: totally agree Josh , city want half a million for him , 11 goals all season and didn't score in any of his last 15 games last season, yet another non goal scoring forward to add to our collection .

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      • June 12, 2015 at 13:59
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        @southstandview: agree with what you say. But I think a lot to do with are strikers not scoring goals is to do with are midfield no creativity. Obrien and gregory need to play off each other instead of being so far apart obrien drops deep to win balls so never in the right place when we are on the atack. Although one on ones they both need to work on in training.

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        • June 12, 2015 at 14:41
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          @dave666: my point was Hanson and his record , not half a million with his goal return

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          • June 12, 2015 at 15:42
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            @southstandview: I understood your point my point was you say to add to our none goal scorers I'm pointing out why our forwards wasn't scorring obrien never got much of a run with the clown also was played right mid out of position

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        • June 12, 2015 at 16:19
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          @dave666: I think greggs will score goals but obrien isn't a striker and will just warm the bench next season .

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:39
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      @Josh:
      Ambler hasn't got a big say in our transfers in terms of cash or players we want to sign, he simply does the negotiations. And the Swindon fella has got championship clubs after him, that's why he didn't sign a contract at Swindon, and that's why he will never be sighing for us and people need to get a reality check!

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:15
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    Andy Williams is a free agent and scored 22 goals last season, I don't see why we can't get him!

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:17
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    Bit unfair on Andy Josh. Hanson was identified by Harris as a target, the board put a value on him Andy tried to do a deal at that price, from what I see Andy has nothing to do with who we get only what we pay for him. You could argue that he has not got us best value in the past, and you would be right, but I am sure all the players that we have got were on the managers recommendation and I am sure that AA was told how much we needed them again by previous managers. We seem always to have a go at the board when they get the wrong player and again when they do not back the club, really a no win position. If we do get a gem it is the manager who gets the credit for spotting him. I for one am not to upset to be honest I think there are better options but what do I know, I am only a retired car mechanic!

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    • June 12, 2015 at 10:50
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      @lennie the lion: Good post lennie, i feel sure that NH is the man who say's who he want,s and then the board decide what we can realistically pay and then try to reach a deal,personally i think we need a player of hanson's stature,should it be hanson or someone else,we need a plan B and a line up that can combat different playing styles of other team's.
      When people keep having a go at the board ,they do not know all the in's and out's of the detail's and problem's a particular situation can present.
      The positive thing is we are going after player's that look long term and not just has been's of loan player's,for the back bone of our team,loan player's may come along later to compliment the team.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:39
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    Anyone know what we did offer? It would be interesting to know what valuation Bradford put on Hanson. The player could also show some willing and force the move, plenty of our players have done that in the past.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:41
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      @glyngo: the first offer was 250k .cant see the 2nd and most probably the last weren't that much more..then your hear AA say we pulled out all the stops to get him

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:41
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    How much is a league 1 striker with only 11 goals worth ?
    Nothing in my eyes Marquis did better for the Gills.there must be better out there surely.
    when will this club learn we need to spend decent money for a decent striker..........
    Or loan another Kane,Wood,from a prem club someone whos hungry to prove themselves,

    Come on Neil sort this one out ffs dont make the same mistake as others have...

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    • June 12, 2015 at 10:58
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      @MIGHTY: How many time's did you see Hanson and Marquis play last season.?

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      • June 12, 2015 at 12:05
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        @jim1222:
        Probably the same amount of times you did but Marquis scored 8 in 21 games for the Gills and some are saying they would have been happy not to sign him up and let him go, Yet we are making a money offer for a STRIKER with a worse goal ratio in the same league in the same season (11 in 46).

        Sorry if you disagree with my thoughts but i think i would like us to sign better..if we sign him hope he proves me wrong..

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:43
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    3rd time lucky? AA said himself a player is worth what their own respective club value them at. Bradford don't NEED to sell so they can afford to drive a hard bargain. There are players older who can do a job at this level like Steve Morison and Luciano Becchio but those players are not ones that will grow with the club and go against what Harris and the Board have been saying... stay tune me thinks to see what happens next

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:48
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    Local media in Bradford have suggested they want £500K for Hanson, whether or not that is actually true is a different issue but I for one would be very unhappy if we spent anywhere near that on him. Personally I think there are better options out there in terms of price/ability/age but its not me who makes any decisions!

    I also don't want us to spend all summer chasing this guy when other players who would be right for us end up elsewhere (which is exactly what happened with Matt Smith last year).

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:17
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      @spj91: totally agree, half a million on 11 goals in a season is a poor return.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:49
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    I personally think that a player in the Hanson mould is just what we need going forward. They're there to create spaces for Gregory/O'Brien. A big bustling bruiser of a centre forward, to mix things up.

    Look at our team from 00/01! We had Sadlier who was that type of player and Paul Moody. Both linked play well for the likes of Harris and Cahill to finish teams off. He may not score 20 goals a season, but 10 of his own with a say in another 10/15 for Gregory and co. will be a good acquisition.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 14:04
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      @jasoncleftpallett: Good post, Harris wants this fella because he will link perfectly with Gregory and O'brien, and chip in with 10 to 20 goals over a season, he bullies defenders, works the back four along the line, look what he did against us, we need this type as we did with Alexander and Henderson.

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    • June 14, 2015 at 13:12
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      I agree with you. I would like to see a winger with a half decent cross and with Hanson height it would give us another outlet instead of playing through b a los for Gregory and O'Brien too run onto,I know james Henry was not everyone's cup of tea but he has been our best Crosser for a long time.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 10:49
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    What is the use of Ambler, he should have gone with coco.

    Tom Pope a player mentioned on here before has left Port Vale and Joined Bury on a free transfer, what was Ambler doing when Port Vale said he was available he would have been a good punt especially on a freebie , Ambler is so far off the radar, all the teams in our division are strengthening and who have we signed.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:01
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      @golden lion: Maybe Tom Pope didn't want to come to Millwall? Maybe he wanted to stay in the north west, where he is from? Maybe Neil Harris (who is after all deciding on who we go for) doesn't rate him?

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:14
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      @golden lion: Says a lot about Pope's ambition if he is happy to go to Bury, and if he's that good, other clubs would have come in for him. Personally, I've never seen him play so can't comment on whether he would have improved us.

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      • June 12, 2015 at 11:19
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        @beedoscores: Pope suffered a serious knee injury last season and it is not yet clear how well he has recovered. It would have been worth a punt if he was cheap, but I suspect he was demanding a high wage and salary.

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      • June 12, 2015 at 11:58
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        @beedoscores: very true, if bury is the best he can get then yeah maybe we made the right call not trying to sign him.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:42
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      @golden lion:
      I think you need to get more of an understanding regarding what ambler actually does at our club, and who makes the decisions, because you are wayyyyy off the mark with your opinions.

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      • June 12, 2015 at 11:54
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        @82wall: I know what ambler does he makes mistake after mistake and is one of the reasons we are in this mess, he should have gone a long time ago.

        but I know it's down to our amazing scouting network to highlight players and then down to NH if he wants them, I just think we are being left behind in the transfer stakes but im sure NH will come good.

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        • June 13, 2015 at 11:29
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          @golden lion: I agree the incompetence of the management in appointing two hopeless managers is down to them. Both were bad choices coupled with lack of investment in players and putting up with the system of bringing in too many players on loan and others past their prime. Ambler should have gone after the disaster of last season.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 11:02
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    We do need a target man as our previous successes have stemmed from that ,weather Hanson will make a difference remains to be see ,but the reason we've struggled is because we've gone cheap on strikers and what's happened the last 3 seasons ,struggled then relegation , don't no if reported he's worth 500k , but you need to spend to get a quality striker in, loans or on the cheap won't do it.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 11:14
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    There's an incredible amount of idiots on this page. People who think they know it all but in reality, know Jack sh*t! Lay off Ambler ffs!

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:24
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      @Charlie09: Although I think AA is as culpable as anyone at the club, I agree that he seems to get singled out as the single cause of our woes. Clearly he has restrictions in which he can work and negotiate for new players, and those restrictions will be set by the board who employ him and the owner. I think he has done a good job in fighting our corner with the authorities, when required, his dealings in the transfer market leave something to be desired but he can't be expected to sign players when the budget is not made available to him.

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      • June 12, 2015 at 11:52
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        @glyngo: Like you glyngo,i also think AA has done a good job fighting our corner with the FA,it would be interesting to know just how good a defence he has put up fpr Millwall in the past.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:48
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      @Charlie09:
      I made a comment the other week regarding this, too many people jump on the bandwagon and just pretend they know what's going on, when in reality, they probably couldnt even tell you what amblers role is. Nothing surprises me with this site and its comments though, half the people who comment should still be in maudsley.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 11:20
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    Andy Williams has had one good goalscoring season. He missed all but three games in the 2013/4 season and only scored 12 in 48 games for Swindon in 2012/3. I like James Hanson, but if we miss out, we will certainly need to find another big man as an ariel threat.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 11:23
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    Same old Millwall penny pinching, look what that's done to us already! Learn from ya f****** mistakes for Christ sake.

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      • June 12, 2015 at 17:46
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        @glyngo: no!!! but i bet we went in at a f****** stupid price like 250k then raised it to 330k it's f****** lauhable the way we do business. i thought we we're gonna compete as one of the top 4 in terms of buying and spending, well that's what ambler said only a month ago on here. if they're asking 500k then they'd obviously accept 400k which imho he is probably worth! we're always looking to cut corners financially. j.b was something like the 4th or 5th richest chairman in the f****** championship ffs the board either want to progress or not. and we've just offloaded 18 players??? saving money there as well. time to put up the ££££ or just don't f****** bother at all.

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        • June 12, 2015 at 19:02
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          @steveomfc5: it's important that we pay what a player is worth to us, we could spend 500k on Hanson but I seriously don't think he's worth it. Rather spend half a mill on a player that is worth that amount and has proven himself.

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          • June 13, 2015 at 10:57
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            @glyngo:
            Agreed.
            Last season, just 11 goals in 48 games.
            Total, 62 goals in 225 games.
            Is that record really worth half a million?
            Bomber must see something in him I suppose.

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          • June 13, 2015 at 23:43
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            @glyngo: didnt somebody in earlier post say why NH may want hanson for.not just for scoring goals but to be a presence and threat while greggs and co can do there stuff

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    • June 12, 2015 at 11:49
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      @steveomfc5:
      You reckon Hanson is worth half a mill? Plus all the add ons and his contract etc? I certainly don't.

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      • June 14, 2015 at 00:42
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        @82wall: nobody in london thinks hes worth that..in fact the only petson who thinks hes worth that is bradford's divvy chairman

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  • June 12, 2015 at 11:24
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    Bradford clearly have an over inflated opinion of his worth so lets move on! why should we be held to ransom for an average player - yes he's what we need but I've seen nothing that justifies paying a big fee for him!

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  • June 12, 2015 at 11:30
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    Sorry for the negativity guys but in my opinion this isn't the best possible attacking option. I believe that with the relegation it's a chance for us to build a squad that is young and hungry to get back into the championship when we are ready to compete by that I mean get promoted with the confidence to try and attempt at least a mid table finish, however, I feel Hanson is a temporary fix to get us out of league 1. I also remember Alex Aldridge in commentary on the Bradford game last season saying that he thought Hanson wasn't as good as the hype just your standard lower league target man so without goals don't feel he is the best option. With Scunthorpe seemingly signing Williams from Swindon too I struggle to understand how a club who are the bookies 2nd favourites for promotion aren't attracting some of the better players from League 1. Anyway as I said this is my opinion I'm sure some won't agree but feel that this transfer window is a real opportunity to send a message to other teams with the signings of both young and hungry mixed with class experienced older players.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 19:04
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      @MFC 96: I would t be surprised if we sign a striker outside of LEAGUE 1 or the Champ and maybe get someone from abroad.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 11:47
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    Finding talent is going to be one of the big challenges for Neil - as it has been for a succession of Millwall managers. He has a good level of support in recruiting and coaching so he's not on his own - but it's his name and reputation on the line for success - or otherwise.

    First of all, there's the issue of finding and getting talented players with potential that fit the Millwall profile. (We all know the 'ones that got away'). Neil has been explicit about what he wants. Neil has his targets. He should be getting assistance from the professional help that has been brought into the club to identify appropriate talent. Realistically, he will only get a proportion of those to open discussions.

    Then they have to be convinced that Millwall is a great place to come. (As much as we love the team, that's not a universal feeling in the footballing world.). A lot of it is down to personal contact, who knows who and networks. Ex-Millwall players and current ones can be powerful influencers in convincing people to talk with Neil. I think Neil will be a persuasive person to speak to. He is genuine, totally committed and knows what he wants.

    Neil also has to convince them that they will be playing a lot. Players want to play regularly and play in a winning team. I think that this is more likely to happen for new signings in Div 1 than in the Championship. They want to be part of that success and grow. Neil may be lucky and find a Morrison from non league football (who, I remember, had to be coached extensively before it all happened for him - and us). Or we get loans like Townshend or Kane. But this is more of a two way street - 'you perform - you get to play'.

    But there's still a lot of talent or luck getting these players to perform (down to the coaching staff). Remember Ryan Mason a regular player for Spurs - but didn't work for us. They also need to settle into the club and the area. Part of it is down to us. We're quick to judge and newbies are going to need to be tough skinned about their reception if they don't perform in our eyes. But Neil will guide them on what is required. "Putting themselves about" is a good starting point with plenty of effort and commitment.

    Realistically, I think we'll start with a few players down from what's really required. Success on the field will dictate how attractive we are to unsettled players or those who could come to us on loan.

    If he gets the above done, the rest is relatively straightforward !!!

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  • June 12, 2015 at 12:01
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    I said previously I didn't. Rate him so I'm not to upset. Overpriced. Scored less than marquis. Not a big fan of target men. But understand we need a plan b in terms of game play do we wanna spend half a mill on Hanson I hope not

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  • June 12, 2015 at 12:21
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    Jay Emmanuel Thomas has been released but might be out of our wage limit but we do need to invest in a proven striker who will not break the bank.

    I do not feel Hanson will be a good investment and should leave that one alone now.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 13:49
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      @golden lion: JET would be a coup for us - think he's looking to get a deal in the top half of the championship though unfortunately

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  • June 12, 2015 at 12:26
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    Here at Millwall we have a rich tradition of selling our players for peanuts,it is only fair others play by the same rules.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 12:37
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    I am not sure attracting players to the Den is as much a problem as we all seem to think it is especially now Harris is in charge. First we are in London, which for any foreign player would seem to be a plus, second I believe, that I read a while ago, Neil is universally liked within the football world, third, yes we have a reputation that would put some players off, but I think it would actually be very attractive to most, those that enjoy a battle and the NOLU attitude who want to play in a stadium that is rocking, in fact just the sort of players the fans love. Also you could show players the great interview with Harry Kane saying he learnt so much playing for us, not just on the field but about what the game means to real football fans which again would be very attractive to proper players. One last thing we are actually now a bigger fish in this league, so wages will be at least as good or better than most other teams, and we have probably the best chairman.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 12:49
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    @lennie the lion: Lennie - personal testimonies are great. Kane's interview should be shown as part of the 'Millwall package'. There's also the Cahill interview where he says why he wanted to come to us.
    I also agree that Neil's credibility will take him a long way. People often refer to his personal battle against cancer when they ask about the 'new' Millwall manager.
    Finally, in all this we mustn't forget our new kids on the block. I would rather one of ours came through a hundred times over before going outside - because they're one of our own.

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    • June 12, 2015 at 14:30
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      @kitch: Absolutely Kitch, I agree that all of us would prefer if they are 'our kids' and they also get a bit longer to prove themselves. My point was that I think we all agree that we need to bring a couple of experienced better quality players in and in this league we should be in a better position than other teams in this division.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 12:52
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    Not overly excited by this lad the thing I don't understand is lets say we are offering £300k for Hanson and they want around half a million after you have paid his wages for a couple of years it ends up costing us that any way . So why not go and get a couple of better strikers who are on a free and invest in giving them the wages they want possibly on a one year deal , come on JB your suppose to be a shrewd business man .

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  • June 12, 2015 at 12:53
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    Go back to Fulham and get smith on loan for a season . We are not a fret to them anymore .

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    • June 12, 2015 at 13:16
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      @little h: You know what,that is a good shout.
      Did not do Bristol City any harm having Smith in their team for most of last season ???

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  • June 12, 2015 at 13:25
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    Thank good for that.... The picture alone puts me off... Looks like a donkey!!

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  • June 12, 2015 at 13:49
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    Let them keep him and move on to the next target.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 14:37
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    We ain't signed him so no point in talking about him. f*** him let's move on. Also agree with a earlier post about needing quality in midfield to pick our strikers runs out.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 15:21
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    What is it with us always trying to penny pinch why not just give them what he's valued at
    It's the same with Matt Smith last season and look where that left us with
    The HOF

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  • June 12, 2015 at 16:19
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    Next 1 please he s*** 11 goals a season is totally s*** 4 a striker play me up front I will score atleast 18 goal in league 1 defo COYL think better

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  • June 12, 2015 at 16:48
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    Can't we wait till we make a signing if we ever do looks very much like the same old story lots of if,s and buts but no good signings we need to see who signs on the dotted line I bet we leave to late again and mis out

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  • June 12, 2015 at 17:12
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    Come on lads half a mil shouldn't be a big sum if we want him,that were risking not getting someone our manger has identified as the man he wants PULL THE READIES UP!!! If it don't work out we will still get half that back next year

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  • June 12, 2015 at 17:27
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    If anybody can tell me that Hanson is 500k better than THE HOFF I am a Dutchman. We should have kept the HOFF got him fully fit for Div and watch him score the goals. In stead we go for a Northen player who probably even if he came two years at the most - half a million pound gamble - no sorry another case of Wall not knowing what they are doing. Oh yes not long to the season start - same old story last minute buys agents happy and taken for a ride again.

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  • June 12, 2015 at 19:43
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    Ambler doesn't got out and sign who he wants, bomber as identified him as a target for our squad....... That being said I do think that we should not be held to ransom over this fella, if he wanted to join Millwall he would have handed in a transfer request.......let's move on to other targets now.......in the bomb we trust !!!!!

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  • June 12, 2015 at 20:48
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    So what's so special about this fat northern div anyway? Frankly, if we don't walk away from this deal we won't have learned a damn thing from the last 5 years!

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  • June 12, 2015 at 23:54
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    I'd much rather we push the boat out and spend £750k+ on a young quality striker than Hanson. He ain't worth half a mill and Bradford know it. Keep looking Lions. NOLU

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  • June 12, 2015 at 23:55
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    Sorry but there's an awful lot of b******* being talked on here. AA does not have a say in the transfer targets, he is merely the man who is charged with making the deal. If you buy a house, it's your choice of house, but you have a solicitor to facilitate the deal. Secondly, why is every striker mentioned rated on his goalscoring record? IMO we need the option of big man to play off of. I, personally, have not seen enough of Hanson to rate him one way or the other, but it is ridiculous to write him off because of his stats Thirdly, we have just been relegated, paid a fortune to get rid of silly b*******; we should not, and probably cannot, afford to chase after a player whose fee is beyond what we want to pay. This is not lack of ambition, it;s common sense.

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    • June 13, 2015 at 10:15
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      @Adsy77777: Andy in your opinion there are a load of people talking b*******. I see a load of people saying what they think some right some wrong in there facts. Your right about amblers role. But as for strikers. The best indicator is goals scored. I.e stats niel Harris has gone on record. Saying he won't pay more for a player than what his worth. Millwallfc have made 2 bids both rejected. If they pay over the odds for him then. It's all a smoke screen I feel could be wrong why so many including me as well as his stats and for me I didn't rate him when I watched him play. You may totally disagree with me fine but like everyone else including yourself we all have our own opinion that's why I like this site

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  • June 13, 2015 at 10:40
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    So basically, Amber chooses all the players?

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  • June 13, 2015 at 11:45
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    Ambler seems to have a lot of his supporters on here, perhaps people are forgetting the signing of Hoyte? Plus the two useless managers appointed by the board.

    Maybe the failure to sign James will be a blessing in disguise, imo we need a fast front man who can both create and score goals. Look at the pace of the Barcelona forwards who attack in numbers, they do not lob long balls up to a target man. Millwall are a million miles away from the quality of Barcelona but the philosophy behind their gameplay seems sound. Lots of pace and quality passing.
    Fred looks to have a lot of quality and he needs someone beside him to work with.
    I am positive that Neil knows what he is doing, he must be supported even if some think he makes a wrong call.

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    • June 13, 2015 at 11:56
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      @Peckhamlad: we definitely ain't barcalona lol I agree with you I would like to see more passing more creativity less long ball but we don't have the players capable to play that way other than ed upson obrien that seem comfortable to pass n move let's hope niel try's to change it but that will take a long time

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  • June 14, 2015 at 13:15
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    I have read many posts saying in Bomber we trust or words to that effect, but not when it comes to James Hanson, or so it would appear. I've only seen him play against us and he was a bit of a nuisance to say the least. 11 goals not great but they were concentrated early on in the season when Bradford were doing well and stopped up when they had a drop in form, now you could say the drop in form was because Hanson stopped scoring or you might say the team stopped performing and the service to Hanson dried up that's why he stopped scoring. Some have posted that they are happy with our interest in Hanson and pointed out that he has other attributes that will benefit the team as a whole. With my limited knowledge of the player I'm reluctant not give an opinion but I'll venture to say in Bomber we trust if he can get a few bucks knocked off the asking price which I believe is what we are or was trying to do as the case may be. ;)

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  • June 14, 2015 at 18:09
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    Ambler and Williams are a pair of divs.

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  • June 16, 2015 at 22:42
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    In recent times players/strikers of a certain price range and caliber seem to be just out of our grasp, Ricky Lambert, Charlie Austin, Chris Wood. All possible with a bit of luck/ambition, but these near misses sum up the whereabouts of our club.

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