Holloway appalled by treatment of Millwall fans at Leeds

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IAN Holloway launched a scathing attack on West Yorkshire Police after the force again imposed restrictions on Millwall fans travelling to Elland Road.

Around 180 Lions supporters were forced to drive to a motorway service station 15 miles from the ground to exchange a voucher for their match ticket before Saturday's 1-0 defeat.

Police filmed fans as they collected their £36-tickets from Wooly Edge at the side of the M1.

These restrictions have been in place since 2009 and have deterred many Millwall fans from attending fixtures at Leeds in recent seasons.

And Holloway said: "I'm fuming that my fans aren't allowed here.

"I've kicked up all sorts of stink here because the West Yorkshire Police are treating us like it's ten years ago.

"It's just wrong. We're no different to anybody else. Let us come up here and don't corral our fans [into a service station].

"The police should do their jobs. We brought around 100 fans today and I don't think that's fair because our fans should be treated like anyone else.

"Why can't the police deal with a Saturday afternoon? Why? It's about time the police had a look at themselves because they are wrong.

"We have made massive strides forward as a club and won an award for our family experience last year, so what are the police saying about us?

"My team needed a bit of extra support today. There were 24,000 Leeds fans here and we had 100, and that's what it felt like.

"I'm so proud of the fans who bothered to come because if I was being labelled by the police, do you think I'd buy a ticket to stand in the service station?

"I'd like to put two fingers up to whoever's telling us to do that because I don't think that's right.

"It used to be fashionable to go and have a fight somewhere but society was wrong, Millwall wasn't wrong.

"The game and society has moved on so we should be treated with the same respect as every other club. Why can't the police do their jobs?

"I want some respect to be shown to our fans by West Yorkshire Police. Our fans are decent people and my team deserved better today.

"That might have made a difference. It's totally unfair. Leeds can bring as many fans as they like to The Den so why can't we do the same?

"We only get treated like this at Leeds by West Yorkshire Police. Everywhere else, it's not an issue."

Alex Aldridge

(@accordingtoaldo)

77 thoughts on “Holloway appalled by treatment of Millwall fans at Leeds

  • February 14, 2015 at 20:10
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    Sound bites. We all know what is going on. Why is there no quote from Ambler? Why are questions not being asked? Why do we let people tread on us?

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  • February 14, 2015 at 20:20
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    Impose the same restriction on weeds, simple, or we will keep getting mugged off every year.
    Funny how a so called big club can't handle a little club from South London, w******.

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    • February 14, 2015 at 20:41
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      @jdt1885: Most of the ticket allocatiion and prices in the championship are based purely on a reciprocal basis. Why then we we allow it? I can imagine telling Leeds-You want tickets for the Den? See you on the M25 mate! That might get a few of their season ticket holders addressing their own club, and the police looking at their West Yorkishire force and saying ?Why?'
      It's about time someone with a bit of guts in our own boardroom stood up for us and get it sorted. Shameful they don't. I'm talking to you Ambler.

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    • February 15, 2015 at 12:26
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      @jdt1885: the reason we don't stop leeds fans 60k, thats what we would lose on the gate, personally i would stop them , then they might kick up enough fuss and let us up there on equal terms.

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  • February 14, 2015 at 20:33
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    It's about time the people who have the 'CLOUT' at this club stood up and shouted for the REAL - Traveling Fans of MFC.Everybody knows who take the trouble to travel, and they do NOT cause problems at all. ( NOLU, WDC ).

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    • February 14, 2015 at 22:44
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      @BUSHWACKER14:
      With respect, that's not true. I was there today as I am most weeks away fr home and there was a small mob of about 5/10 sitting near the back of the stand today (at the top) who were an absoloute f****** embarrassment. The songs were cringeworthy and there was 1 person in particular who was mouthing off all game, "you left your mates to die" "Istanbul" etc.... These songs were in date a couple years ago, now days it's muggy and just makes us look silly. I will add also that the little mob I'm talking about would quite obviously, s*** a brick if it ever did kick off up there today. Me and my mates just kept looking at eachother and saying how embarassed we were. They even had the cheek to sing "we pay your benefits" well that was very rich considering this little lot were 'mckenzied' up and looked like wallys. all in all a Fukin s*** day.

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      • February 14, 2015 at 23:00
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        @82wall: every f****** match day you come on here to not only s*** your own fans of .and to say how embarrassed you are of fans..i was at leeds and sitting among them(which they didn't like much)..if you heard what was coming out of there mouth you wouldn't be so quick to judge

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        • February 15, 2015 at 03:24
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          @Jim28:

          I don't come on here just to s*** of our own fans, it's just a sad state of affairs down there these days and some of the people we are attracting wouldn't be out of place in a nut house. Our fans down the years have been a major part of any success we have achieved as we can often be the 12th man and have been that on many occasions. I scream and shout my head off at games most of the time like many people. But with some of our lot you seriously have to see it to believe it. You look around and see people staring and shaking their heads at times, today a couple of people who were clearly getting p***** off, actually moved seats to get away from the idiots. If you think millwall is all about slaggin your team and screaming constant abuse from the stands, and seeing how many times you can get the word 'c***' into one sentence, then I think our views are different. Some people need to learn how to show abit of class, or just learn how to not act a total prat in public just because your at a football match. I enjoy our rep to some extent, it was earned by people who are a complete cut above what you see down the den in today's day and age . Your constantly digging out my posts, and I happen to think you always talk a load of s*** and aren't the full ticket along with a couple of others on here. So we will have to agree to disagree again I think.

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          • February 15, 2015 at 09:01
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            @82wall: you wouldn't help yourself ..after such a great post you had to have a pop..i was brought up along with the fans that gave us a rep & know them well..salt of the earth people not mindless as some would make out..but times move on & fans have also .some may not be to your liking but millwall fans they are..
            and i rarely reply to your ramblings these days because there's not much point..because thats all they are ..

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      • February 15, 2015 at 13:52
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        @82wall: RETARD. Take a day off you self righteous miserable old c***.

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        • February 16, 2015 at 23:42
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          @T20ColdBlowLion: Jim28 & company, It's a 'Sad - Affair' when so - called Lion Fans DONT support their own fans! What chance has the MFC Players got.( NOLU, WDC ).

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      • February 16, 2015 at 11:53
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        @82wall:
        82 I make you right They were a total embarrassment Im surprised the police behind them Didn't nick em I had to get away from them in the second half So I don't know why Jim is getting so defensive of them
        He must've been one of them giving it "you left your mates to die"

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      • February 16, 2015 at 11:58
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        @82wall:

        82 I make you right They were a total embarrassment Im surprised the police behind them Didn't nick em I had to get away from them in the second half So I don't know why Jim is getting so defensive of them
        He must've been one of them giving it "you left your mates to die"

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    • February 15, 2015 at 00:00
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      Unfortunately making Leeds fans go to a service station to pick up tickets in exchange for vouchers will not deter our support. We would still bring 2000 fans to the Den and would give the MET Police a bigger headache of what to do with 40 plus coaches.
      We also have the same restrictions placed on us when we go to Cardiff. We have to be at a service staion by 1pm for a 3pm ko but the coaches never turn up on time and they cant handle the amount of volume and ability to hand out tickets on time, we always sell this fixture out, even when they moved it to 12pm KO one year.
      The only way Millwall will get something done about this is to do what Leeds do and turn up with the 3000 allocation you get at Elland Road or is the restrictions just a Millwalls fan excuse for your poor traveling support, now remind me what you took to Birmingham away the previous week...........erm 150 ish was it????

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      • February 15, 2015 at 12:22
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        @MOT: you might like going by coach coz u feel safer with the rest of in breds. & do u think having your fans all in place at a service station would muck the met police about then u must be a bigger lemon than I thought u was. & when was the last time your lot gave us 3000 tickets get your facts right before coming on our site & talking a load of b******* u dirty northern c***.

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      • February 15, 2015 at 13:54
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        @MOT: Can't believe other teams fans are sad enough to make accounts on our websites, just to s*** us off. Our away support is not as big as Leeds' because we're not Leeds. We haven't been champions league semi finalists, we haven't been in the Premier League etc. What do you expect? Then add in all the Police restrictions and the fact we hardly ever win away and you're not going to get 2,000 people going to every away game

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        • February 15, 2015 at 17:45
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          @James_SE16: Much of the Leeds away support comes from all over the country - a relic of their heyday 40-odd years ago, when they were the Man Utd of the time. No doubt they're a decent size club. but it'd be interesting to see how many of their away fans actually travel from Leeds.

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      • February 16, 2015 at 10:58
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        @MOT:
        Leeds is the 3rd biggest city in the UK only behind London and Birmingham. Yes london has a hell of a lot more people than leeds but you are a 1 club city with over 750,000 people, have been in the champions league and premier league and have had a lot of success in the past so have attracted nationwide support, you are entitled to get 40 odd thousand turn up to a game. Infact you should be pulling in more. In London, you have arsenal, chelsea, West Ham, Spurs, qpr, fulham, crystal palace, charlton who have all been in the premier league in the last 20 years, whereas we haven't. This means they have all attracted what we call, a happy clappy element to their support and like you, gained support from every side of the nation and in some cases, the world, whilst we still, and have always relied on millwall being bred into you through family and sometimes friends. I think overall we should have more fans home and away, but at the moment and over recent seasons our crowds have followed a similar pattern to what history suggests they should. Especially considering our home form. Putting all that aside the fact is the season our restrictions are lifted you will see a proper millwall turn out up at your place, no doubt it'll probably go off a little bit because our nutters will turn out, so will yours, and then it'll all be back to the vouchers scheme the following year with the old bill saying I told you so. Would be a laugh though.

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    • February 15, 2015 at 20:39
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      @Eamon Dunphys tackle: @BUSHWACKER14: Leeds fans have no more power than we do. I'm against banning Leeds fans from the den for three reasons. One, we would lose out on the income they provide. Two, we would also lose out on the income provided by all the once a season Millwall fans who only turn up to abuse the Leeds fans. And Three, two wrongs don't make a right. I don't think they should have their human rights restricted just because we do

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  • February 14, 2015 at 20:34
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    Everyone knows its wrong - but the manager should concentrate on getting a striker rather than trying to curry favour with the fans over the bad a**e police - who are complete w*****s.
    As in a lot of these situations - our reputation has gone before us - maybe even why we cannot even attract good players

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  • February 14, 2015 at 20:49
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    News at Den virgin, 1st post for me: Ollie's spot on, the West Yorkshire police are a joke & shouldn't be allowed to get away with such lazy policing. Don't think too much of the Met, but at least they can do the job of crowd control better than that cowardly lot.

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    • February 14, 2015 at 20:57
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      @savaloy: Not only should the club show more guts, but the MSC and the fan on the board should be pulling up trees to try and get this voucher system overturned!
      It is discrimination in anyone's language and would not be allowed to happen to any other minority group!

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        • February 15, 2015 at 00:32
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          @lion.ie: I was on a picket line in 1987, but what I am saying is the club and our so called representatives do not have a real go in trying to get this system overturned.

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          • February 15, 2015 at 13:18
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            @Eamon Dunphys tackle: If you were at Wapping you have my utmost respect and you know exactly what I'm talking about. As I've said before on here, the West Yorkshire Police making statements about bad behaviour is laughable in itself. I doubt there is very much the club can do and who's to say they haven't done all they can? Maybe next year as many Millwall fans as possible should turn up at the MI service station, ticket or not? See how they handle 2,3,5 or 10 thousand turning up en masse?

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    • February 14, 2015 at 21:12
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      @savaloy: Welcome to the 'Site' Savaloy ! If you've read the post on here, you won't need me to tell you that 'Everyone' is a great Lion - Fan, and generally very friendly. ( NOLU, WDC. ).ps. Enjoy the stay.

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      • February 14, 2015 at 21:40
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        @BUSHWACKER14: thanks for the warm welcome, believe you me I've done my time following this lot and hopefully have something positive to add, dispite all the frustration I wouldn't have missed a minute! COYL

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  • February 14, 2015 at 21:06
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    Ollie had it right when he said we're no worse than any other club. We're not saints and there are still the odd few that want to be a bit naughty - but that is no different to pretty much every club across the top 3 leagues...
    Plus, HALF of the blame should be put on Leeds fans as to why the situation is like it is. On one occasion, a lot of the trouble being caused solely by them after the game actually fighting the old bill - but I guess that's our fault as well...
    NOLU WDC. F#@k em all.

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  • February 14, 2015 at 21:11
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    I like what IH said but is he trying to blame the result on something that might not have mattered,would we have won if there were 10 thousand Millwall there. Yes it would help but lets not forget we need a striker. Fair play to him for saying what he said and he will get a fine cause he is Millwall manager but lets address our own issues and not blame the whippet bothering northern noncey old bill. COYL.

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  • February 14, 2015 at 21:18
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    Yes this has been a problem for a few years. This is just deflecting away from yet another defeat. Toothless up front. Toothless AA who needs to get this situation sorted. Either complain about our treatment or inflict the same restrictions on Leeds.

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    • February 14, 2015 at 21:24
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      @southlondon1885: Holloway can be blamed for a lot but not our away ticket scenario. It wouldn't have gone too well if he wasn't interested, He has to be as the Millwall manager. What I don't get is why Ambler is still representing Millwall on the board if he hasn't got the gumption to either refuse to give Leeds tickets unless they collect them on the motorway or to do something that has a bit of steel behind it.

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      • February 14, 2015 at 22:20
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        @NICKOLA: I'm not blaming IH for the ticket allocation and the abysmal way our fans are treated by the police at Leeds. The issue is that he can comment about this in the week leading up to it or during the close season. Ehy mention it after another defeat? Why not hold his hands up and promise to look into getting a striker on loan and admit what he's signed in the hof is a waste of valuable resources that the club don't have. He can't hoodwink me into flashy talk about how much improved we are going forward. The bloke is a clown and an absolute muppet. The sooner he has gone the better we will be.

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  • February 14, 2015 at 22:11
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    holloway, unless you buy a goalscorer of f*** off we wont have this problem next season !!

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  • February 14, 2015 at 22:16
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    I Live up in Bradford and know alot of Leeds fans and there say that it should not be like this and there have been waiting for the last few years for us to do the same to them ref tickets.
    in the last 3 games up at leeds with us there have been no more then 10 arrests at each game, now tell me that is above the norm. the old bill up here dont wont to deal with football fans full stop they have moved the Bradford Sundland FA cup game at bradford to sunday cos the old bill said that there did not want Leeds, Millwall and Sundland fans all at Leeds station at the same time, but we have to pick tickets up on the M1 15 miles away from Leeds so who in there right mind is going to go to leeds on the train for them to only have to find a way to the service ststion on the M1. the old bill up here dont even like leeds cos leeds sued them for just under £2 million last year cos the old bill where chageing Leeds to police outside the ground on match days..
    the old bill up wont ever chance it now cos they know it pisses us off and the waste of space that we have on the board wont do anything about it cos they have no back bone.
    its time to fight fire with fire and stop given Leeds any tickets for are place and you whatch it get sorted cos with Leeds being such a big club (my a***) that would not be allowed to happen.

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  • February 14, 2015 at 22:17
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    First of all good on ollie to voice his opinion on this but did he not mention it earlier in the season ?
    Secondly although it needs addressing blaming our result on it is stooping too low just as I thought we had heard every excuse in the book the past yr ollie comes up with this one.
    As much as we get a raw deal out of this going tit for tat is not the answer. The reasoning behind it is the trouble caused in leeds not London yes we've had a little down here in the past but nothing like up there over the yrs. The met have it almost under raps down here and are a bit more wise to it.
    We get a crowd of anything from 11 to 14k against Leeds at home that includes 1 to 2k from leeds that's a fair bit of money for us so restricting them to a thousand tickets and the same travel arrangements as we get there'll only be about 9 or 10k for a fixture that should be near on a full house. They will probably only turn up with no more than 300 it won't effect them what so ever but we will feel it more we need the money that game brings, on the other hand Leeds get anything from 22 to 26k against so us only turning up with 180 to 800 doesn't make any difference to them what so ever.
    If I remember rightly earlier in the season before WYP made their minds up for this fixture Leeds utd where in favour of lifting the restrictions and to be fair the past couple seasons they have wanted the restrictions lifted. Maybe millwall fc should take it to the courts but our past off field problems will never stand us in good stead. For now the best we can do is completely boycott this fixture and keep bugging the authorities to see sense.

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    • February 14, 2015 at 23:24
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      Agree with the boycotting of the fixture, but I believe had millwall made the return fixture as difficult for them at the start, then this may not of drag on so long.
      Do not believe Leeds are really pressing the old bill and like you say not having the extra maybe 1000 tickets probably is not a huge problem for them, but their fans not getting tickets for the Den would I suspect see them voice their displeasure a little louder.

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      • February 14, 2015 at 23:48
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        @kenfromtheden: we are not a big enough club to do that.
        We foot the bill wether there's 200 or 2k so why would we restrict them it makes no financial sense. Millwall supporters club and Leeds utd supporters trust have met up in a bid to get the restriction lifted both clubs have tried in vein it is completely down to the WYP.
        What problems have we had with Leeds down the den ? very few or minor compared to what's gone on up there so our club have no grounds to impose the same restrictions and we'll mug ourselves off financially by playing tit for tat

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        • February 15, 2015 at 00:20
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          Granted we would have had to take a cut in tickets short term and we have wasted over the years a lot more money than that.
          Yes the supporters trust did apparently support us, but like a say that voice would have been a lot louder if they had some kind of restriction.
          Do agree its the inability of the WYP to handle a few fans, of which I would add the Leeds fsns have been the main reason for trouble after games up there and have turned up at Surrey Docks and as we all know are not that innocent.

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          • February 15, 2015 at 08:28
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            @kenfromtheden: the trouble is always up there not down here minor skirmishes at worst the police down here have had it sorted since mid 90s that's why we always end up kicking off with them instead of the fans. For some reason it seems a lot easier for fans to kick off away from the den especially in Yorkshire they're only solution to it is to punish us through this pathetic restriction they've imposed. But what I don't and can't fathom is why have Leeds utd not been punished in any shape or form. I can only go back to 87 or 88 away to Elland rd on a Wednesday night getting ambushed as we got off the train and towards the station exit. I was only 12 at the time. The only other time I went was in the play offs 1-1 jimmy's night. Nothing happened cause nothing could. It's s*** and not fair but I really can't see the benefit of doing the same to them. The only thing we can do is give them a smaller allocation but it's up to the met and not millwall fc to restrict their travel to the den.

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        • February 15, 2015 at 12:12
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          @lukesmithmfc: I too agree that the vast majority of trouble is at elland road and not down here. I lay the blame firmly at the door of WYP.

          One time I went up there, we were held on the platform at Leeds station. A special patrol group fully riot geared up, marched through the middle of the Millwall fans and then back down the platform. Millwall fans simply got out of the way.

          We were then taken to the walkabout pub in town and from there dropped no more than 5 feet from the turnstiles. In fairness, that was pretty good policing.

          However, wisey scored an 86th minute equaliser and we we're let out at the same time as weeds fans.

          Where were the buses? Half a mile away across the car park with the only old bill in attendance videoing everything.

          They couldn't give one and what ensued was messy to say the least.

          WYP created the situation and at no point tried to diffuse it.

          Personally I ain't and have no plans to go back.

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        • February 15, 2015 at 16:00
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          @lukesmithmfc: Yes we would lose income if we restricted Leeds fans at the Den, but not every thing is about money. That's the trouble with football and life in general. Some time there are more important issues at stake.

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          • February 15, 2015 at 18:10
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            @Richie The Spod: as right as you are Richie unfortunately this subject is purely based on money. I'd bet me house on it that restricting Leeds was topic of conversation in our board room at the time.
            I don't for one minute doubt our board wanted the same for Leeds but the bigger picture is we would lose out twice which really doesn't make any economical sense as we have a business to run at the end of the day. I also wouldn't be surprised if the original plan was to ban our support altogether but we accepted a compromise of the restrictions we have now.
            We keep blaming our own board for this and accusing them of sitting back and doing nothing when the reality is its completely out of our hands, and as for blaming Leeds of the same thing are they really going to be that bothered by it ? I for one think not as I wouldn't be bothered if the shoe were on the other foot.

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  • February 15, 2015 at 06:43
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    With respect to everyone's comments, I'm not sure why we bother wasting our breath with this. Ambler and everyone else at Millwall couldn't give a s*** about us,apart from Ollie of course.

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  • February 15, 2015 at 12:43
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    I dont doubt holloways sincerity as such, but he has 8 to 10 thousand of us cheering the team on most times at home, and he still cant produce a winning team because we cant score goals ffs !!!

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  • February 15, 2015 at 13:07
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    Stupid Millwall fans wanting to make Leeds pick their tickets up from services, just highlights your vicious mentality. It's the Police that impose this restriction not the club, by restricting Leeds fans you will deprive yourself of much needed revenue at a time when everyone knows you need a striker. I understand some of the mindless few who did travel covered themselves in glory by bravely sing about Instanbul....what a class act! I have been to Millwall ( not with leeds) and found it the nastiest most intimidating place imagineable, your fans are known as the most odious and vicious in the entire football league, you can see that from some of the posts on here. I really hope you do the championship a favour by sticking with IH without a striker and getting yourselves relegated, although league 1 don't deserve to have to put with the low life's who call themselves Millwall fans.

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    • February 15, 2015 at 14:44
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      @deputy d***: Aah Bless. did somebody upset you by stealing your copy of the Mail on Sunday? You come on here trying to take the moral high ground and make yourself look the bigger idiot with your sweeping statements about 'all Millwall fans'. Mug.

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      • February 15, 2015 at 18:56
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        @lion.ie: Are you dyslexic by any chance? Not once in my post do I say "all Millwall fans" as you quote. I realise that most Millwall fans are normal decent human beings who never dream of wearing a Galatasaray shirt or waving the flag at Leeds fans. The problem is the idiots you have are the most disgusting, odious low life scum on the planet who have no limit to the level of depravity to which they will stoop.

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        • February 15, 2015 at 23:54
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          @deputy d***: Dyslexic? Why is that something to be ashamed of? You obviously don't understand this learning disability. You're also a bit thick if you can't understand the tone of your own rant.

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    • February 15, 2015 at 16:33
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      @deputy d***: ha ha ha great post from someone who wears a blue uniform and works for wyp.next time your down in london please visit the lynn boxing club SOUTH LONDON ask for my post name.SUBJECT to learn respect.

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    • February 15, 2015 at 17:18
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      @deputy d***: Bit rich. This week 6 weed fans given banning orders for the trouble they caused at Norwich in October

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    • February 15, 2015 at 17:55
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      @deputy d***: Mug !! You don't know all Millwall supporters do yah? When it comes to charities who puts their hands in their pockets ? Yeah proper decent wall fans! You are generalising F....k northern neck . Leeds living of the glory days which will never return 'Melt

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      • February 15, 2015 at 19:03
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        @lionrampant: Hey non rampant lion, at least we have some glory days to dream about. Do you realise Liverpool haven't won the league since we last did!

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    • February 15, 2015 at 17:56
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      @deputy d***: Always funny reading this self-righteous garbage, but what actually makes these sad k.nobs go on other clubs websites?

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    • February 15, 2015 at 18:25
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      @deputy d***: your certainly getting the response you intended.
      Shame you lack any real intelligence but I guess you can be forgiven as that's to be expected. You say you found your experience to be very intimidating and that it was the nastiest place you've ever been but you don't state what club you went with as you also don't state that you are a Leeds fan, funny that as your writing this nasty post about people you have no idea of trying to intimidate whilst hiding behind your keyboard.
      What a credit to your mum and dad you are bet the wife and kids are proud as punch

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        • February 15, 2015 at 21:13
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          @deputy d***: Haha ha is that it.
          come on chum surely you can muster something more. It didn't take all that time for you to come up with that. How lame. Very dissapointing

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  • February 15, 2015 at 13:36
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    Dd u r a c***! Now f*** of to the stone you crawled out of

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    • February 15, 2015 at 23:41
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      @deputy d***: I have been to Elland Road as a neutral and found that the atmosphere and crowd were almost identical to that at the Den, I am sure many will not appreciate this but we are very similar both in attitude and fan base so criticising each other is like shouting at a mirror, utterly ridiculous.

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  • February 15, 2015 at 20:34
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    Im appalled at your management of my football club Mr Holloway, can someone please leave you at the service station or at the nearest circus looking for a clown.

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  • February 15, 2015 at 20:48
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    Mick Harford is briefing Andy ambler about a foreign sounding forward he has been told about, swan vesta,he is a lethal striker and can be found in the box and well within budget, I mean what is Harford doing.

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  • February 15, 2015 at 23:39
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    Just want to spare a thought for the 3 guys who lost their lives on the way to watch a football match yesterday.
    Puts everything into perspective especially when you have silly people like Deputy D*** who find it amusing to gate crash another teams site just to hurl abuse.sad and pathetic lonely man.
    R.I.P the 3 of you.

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