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Millwall boss questions ref decisions after Cherries defeat

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STEVE Lomas criticised the performance of referee Lee Collins after his side's 5-2 defeat to Bournemouth on Saturday.

The Lions were reduced to ten men early in the second half when right back Alan Dunne was shown a second yellow card following a handball in the area.

The visitors had already thrown away a two-goal lead by that stage, and former Den striker Lewis Grabban converted the resulting penalty to put the Cherries in command.

Lomas said: "At 2-0 we were coasting and probably could have scored a third goal through Lee Martin. A mad 15 minutes totally reversed the game but I thought we got some poor decisions from the referee.

"It is a flick on that hit Alan's hand – it was right down by his side, how is that a deliberate handball? It's one thing to give the penalty, but to send him off was extremely harsh.

"There was a tackle by Ryan Fraser on Paul Robinson that was a straight red card. I don't know how the referee doesn't see it that way when he's booking every tackle we make.

"I'm not saying it's because of the ref that we lost the game, but he has certainly contributed into making it very hard for us."

Lomas admitted it was hard to fathom just how his side had collapsed, having been in such a strong position after Martyn Waghorn and Liam Trotter scored inside ten minutes.

"The goal just before half time gives them a bit of momentum but we've got to weather the storm," he said. "We had a shocking 15 minutes that took us out of the game – three goals and a sending off. It was quite mad really.

"Everything was looking good in the first half but we lost a bit of concentration and were sorely punished. It is concerning. That's nine goals we've conceded in our last two games.

"We've got to pick ourselves up and go again. It's never good to have an international break after a heavy defeat, especially when we had the game almost won."

The visiting fans were chanting 'Lomas Out' at the final whistle but the Millwall boss does not feel as though his job is under threat.

"It is part of football," he said. "After a heavy defeat you are always under scrutiny – it's Dougie Freedman one week, me the next and it will be someone else the week after."

Alex Aldridge

(@accordingtoaldo)

69 thoughts on “Millwall boss questions ref decisions after Cherries defeat

  • October 6, 2013 at 09:42
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    B******* was it all the ref's fault. Your s*** defence is what lost us the game. Just admit you got it wrong!

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    • October 7, 2013 at 12:24
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      @harryfabian:

      Lomas admitting he got it wrong gives as much solace as someone apologizing for farting next to you when both trapped in a hot broken lift.

      You've both got to live with the fallout and awkward unspoken knowledge that you both know they have just forfeited their right to be in your space.

      Next floor is yours Mr Lomas.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 09:55
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    Stop tinkering every week !
    Most of the players you are using are players you brought in and they are still being subbed ? No more loan players go and buy Waggy instead then at least one player knows he will be here passed Xmas !

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    • October 7, 2013 at 10:21
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      @millwallpete: I think you'll find he can't by Waghorn until Jan as the window has closed, its only the loan window at the moment. Thing is everyone was calling for Shittu to be dropped which he did, Beevers out so Osborne was his choice, bad move cos he aint good enough. Not sure where we go from here with the games coming up, except down. Get rid of Derry and stick with Bailey would be my suggestion, and get rid of that s*** player Dunne.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 10:01
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    sorry mr lomas , i went , and yes the ref was shocking , but whats new , every one could see after 2 up , you should have changed things , as ive said before there aint no plan b , you could see dunn was going to get sent off , derry was pulling out of tackles after being booked , the boy fraser , needed to be marked he caused all the problems , you should off put jimmy on him , and the subs were all wrong , u give up any chance off getting any thing out of it , these are the same set of defenders that was solid last season WHY

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    • October 7, 2013 at 09:02
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      @munson68: I agree with your comments and also the plan B comment which to be fair KJ never had last season, so no change there, regarding the same defence being solid last season, I dont remember it like that as we did avoid relagation on the last day by virtue of other results, so the defence were not that clever last season as I am sure if you think about some of the games you may recall.

      Brum at home 3 nil up 3-3 Brighton away 2 nill up 2-2 and others, but I am of the opinion that he is not the man for this club, I am really worried about the next home game QPR are a far better side that anyone we have had so far this season, but he has two weeks to sort it out so lets hope he does.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 10:02
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    Sooner or later the ref had to be blamed...he picks the team...decides the tactics..and when it's goes wrong does nothing to change the system....or maybe the manager should activate the correct method but it would appear he doesn't know what or how to do it so for now we can assume its the refs fault

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  • October 6, 2013 at 10:04
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    "After a heavy defeat you are always under scrutiny....:

    Steve, there have been several heavy defeats, yesterday wasn't a one off.

    Pack your little bag and be on your way. Cheers.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 10:05
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    Well, I hoped the headline was going to be millwall chairman questioned why did he employ such a useless c***.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 10:10
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    Ive lost all faith in Lomas now, if a millwall player acted the way grabban did he would have been sent off. Taking both our goalscorers off was a genius fuqing move!!! We need a manager who knows this league, wouldn't mind Roy Keane!!! MIIIIIIIII

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      • October 6, 2013 at 12:28
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        @fatcat: another English useless p****

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        • October 6, 2013 at 13:33
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          @lion.ie: keane would be more volatile than SL, IF therevis a change in managementIit needs to be an experienced level headed manager. Clough fits the bill but so does Curbishley. Just not sure he is off the pace after being out of the game for so long

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  • October 6, 2013 at 10:12
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    There is only one way to sort out bad refereeing. That is to what Millwall have done before and call in the ref sec for a chat. Then call him back once a month until he sorts it out.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 10:49
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    Just watched the highlights. They were a shambles at the back for every goal, Robbo included. Dunne was very poor for the first goal, Osborne useless for the 2nd, the 3rd they were all all over the place, the fourth just stupid from Dunne. The fifth looks like a dive for the penalty but who cares by then?
    We have Lomas, Harford and Harris as first team coaches, maybe we need a defensive coach to sort this mess out?

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    • October 6, 2013 at 11:50
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      @lion.ie: The defence has clearly become a bit of a shambles under Lomas and his coaching team and is shipping goals for fun. The current situation has not been helped by Dunne being sent off twice, Shittu's lack of fitness, Beavers' injury and the constant team changes from game to game that has resulted. I agree, Lion, that a defensive coach could do no harm. In the short term Lomas could do worse than letting Scott Fitzgerald taking a few sessions. Scott wasn't the greatest CH ever to wear a Lions shirt but he was competent enough and appears to be doing a reasonable job with the Acadamy lads at present. Why not give him a go??

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  • October 6, 2013 at 11:22
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    Whatever the problems at Millwall it has nothing to do with the ethnic background or colour of the manager's hair that is irrelevent. What has to be asked as nearly everyone on this board has questioned are the tactics of the manager? We were 2-0 up within 10 minutes courtesy of some great play between Waghoen and Trotter, we should have gone in for the kill after that because at 3-0 it may have been all over. More than that the team needs to defend their lead, shut up shop. That is what the manager has not solved. A long time ago I remember talking to George Graham who said you have to build a team from the back, i.e defence. Being a great centre half he knew what he was talking about. Lomas has not done that he ought to have seen how fragile Millwall are at the back when under pressure. No one seems to know who to mark and communication between Forde and the back four seems non-existent at times. It is also down to all the team to defend when necessary.
    I cannot understand the reason why he took off Trotter or really any of his substitutions they seemed to make matters worse.
    It is only right that the managers decisions during a game have to be questioned and examined.
    If the boot had been on the other foot and we were 2-0 down after 10 minutes and come back to win 5-2 we would be cheering Lomas on for his tactical decisions. I could not see that happening though with him at the helm at the moment. Replacing him with Hartford or Bomber would be ludicrous as they don't seem to have a clue and the fitness trainer is a joke.
    I think the manager has two weeks to get it right if not then JB has to make a decision as to the future for Millwall's sake and my blood pressure count!

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    • October 6, 2013 at 12:15
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      @Peckhamlad: And supposing you get your way in 2 weeks, how long would you lot give the new manager, another 12 games, as I said before you make me laugh.
      Have you not seen from other clubs, Wolves, Blackburn etc etc and even us before Jackett that changing the manager every 5 minutes doesn't work.

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      • October 6, 2013 at 13:39
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        @Sealion: I am not saying the manager should be fired in two weeks, time I said he has two weeks to get things right before we play QPR. It is the board's decision at the end of thay whatever we may think or say. At least the situation is not desperate but somehow we have to plug the leaks at the back.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 12:00
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    Seriously hacked off !...thinking of jacking in my 5 season tickets next year cant cope with this crap....eerrrmm perhaps fishing with 5 live on .....defo less stressful !

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  • October 6, 2013 at 12:36
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    2-0 up in ten mins & cruising, then THREE yellows in seven mins, one of them for taking free kick too early ! Referee upset at scoreline perhaps ? And as for building a team from defence, well Jacket had already successfully done that !

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    • October 6, 2013 at 12:57
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      @frank: YES FRANK , a good defence dont come bad over night , top comment , the booking for malone was nothing short of a joke

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  • October 6, 2013 at 12:45
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    What sort of w***** are you Lomas. "This is Millwall." Apart from with our own fans we are not a popular club. Whether it be with the media, opposing fans, the Football League, the general public and yes, F****** REFEREES. As for "its concerning" are you taking the p*** out of us. Your appointment was concerning, 1-5 v Derby, 0-4 v Birmingham and 2-5 v Bournmouth is not concerning its f****** disgraceful.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 13:08
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    2-0 up to 3-2 down and then a penalty. Scored as you would expect. Now 4-2 down and Dunne off.
    Does Lomas really think that if Dunne had stayed on the pitch we would have come back from 4-2 down ? He hasn't disputed the penalty I notice, only the referee.
    Deflector shields are up here. Problem is they're transparent.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 13:30
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    well said peckhamlad, however George Graham was an attacking midfield player and not a centre half.

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    • October 6, 2013 at 13:34
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      @darrenjamesdj: Yes that was my error and his nick name was "stroller" because he never run much but great in the air.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 13:53
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    Question your tactics and team selection? Your decision to loan out two right wingers? Who both got man of the Match for there new clubs! Where was chaplow? Not even on the bench? Go and coach Whu under 18s, your mission has been accomplished agent Lomas!!!

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    • October 6, 2013 at 15:03
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      @dpendet:
      But Lomas never played anybody on the wing anyway. Feeney is never going to be a centre midfielder or additional striker and Henry plainly got the hump after struggling with the role. So from the manager's point of view why not loan them out and get them off the wage bill? After all he's got untold central midfielders - which are the only kind he really wants and Woolford has been doing a good job as one of the three up front.

      So it is logical - always providing you think 4-3-3 will work

      Except of course that the 4-3-3 system isn't working. But Lomas won't change it. Instead he just keeps shuffling the components in the deluded belief that eventually he will stumble on the right combination.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 14:18
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    There is something clearly wrong here?
    If things are going wrong during a game Steve Lomas seems to lack the ability to fix it, be it tactics, substitutions or communication.
    What is very worrying is how many goals we are conceding when he gets it wrong.
    That said if he gets it right we win convincingly, Blackpool and Leeds are not easy teams to beat.
    We always get s*** refs so we have score more goals to compensate for that!
    We should step up at every game not just against big teams or local a derby.
    If we beat QPR lets hope we go on a another run of wins again, but I think we are in for a rollercoaster season s*** one week blinding the next I just hope that we finish up mid-table.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 15:42
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    I was one of those who went to game and have to say it was the quietest I have heard Millwall away ever. The team looked brilliant for the first ten minutes and then we never had another shot a goal. The team are an ill disciplined shambles and the man to blame is the man in charge AND the players not the ref. If Millwall were a boxer we would be described as having a glass jaw. Lomas needs to sort it out quick or f..k the f..k off!

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  • October 6, 2013 at 17:50
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    Shutup moaning the lot of you! 3 wins in a row and now 2 defeats so what? Give him time, if teddy sheringham came back would you hate him bcos he's been to west ham? NO!

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    • October 6, 2013 at 21:10
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      @MFCTOMMY: who the hell are you to tell us all to shut up?teddy lost he's legend status at our club the minute he signed for westham,and then announced they were he's boyhood team,he could've just as easily have come back to us,but not enough money for him,3 wins on the bounce vs 9 goals conceded in two is relegation form,like it or not!makes me wonder which name lomas is using on this site!we are turning into the whipping boys of this league,I ask you all honestly,are you looking forward to going to work on Monday?i certainly ain't!teddy is no Harris,end off!

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      • October 7, 2013 at 00:18
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        19960">dave: The fact @dave: The fact that you got 4 likes on the comment just shows how much of a thick c*** you are. Don't bother coming millwall again if you think teddy sheringham is not a legend! Haha that's even if you've ever been which I'm starting to think you haven't

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      • October 7, 2013 at 10:42
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        @dave: Teddy not a legend? f****** deluded. Best forward we ever had, apart from Keith Weller (shows my age). Harris was a great player, but seems not to be much of a coach. He is part of the coaching team is he not?

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    • October 6, 2013 at 21:16
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      @MFCTOMMY:
      I agree with you. Some fans find it difficult to differenciate between professional football and which team that person supported as a boy. I personally loved and admired Terry Hurlock. We all know what a legend he is to us. He was from hackney , possibly making him a west ham fan as aboy. Does it really matter ? I think not.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 17:56
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    Just to prove how unpredicatable football is Spurs lose 3-0 at home to West Ham who haven't scored away all season.

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    • October 6, 2013 at 19:20
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      @Peckhamlad: Fair point but we have let in 5 goals twice and 4 in another game and Bournemouth were a league 1 team not long ago.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 19:26
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    This bloke is gonna be hanging around like a bad smell for months to come I'm afraid. Why is it always someone else's fault. Why can't he accept even some of the blame? My interest in football feels like it's waning. Still can't get over the shock of what those prima donnas did in South Africa. Our current form eclipses anything the English national team can throw up!

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  • October 6, 2013 at 19:47
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    I think the fact that we are 5 points clear of the relagation zone will save him from the sack right now. If we was in the bottom 3 today I think he might of been sacked during this break. Because he was the boards unpopular choice they will give him more time to save his job and their reputation.

    I think that Berylson will tell him him that he is now in the last chance saloon and that he will not survive unless we move up the table and keep the club away from the drop zone. Get any nearer than we are now and it's going to be bye bye. Just my thoughts on what may be going on.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 20:14
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    SL quite right to question poor refereeing. Comes with the territory for us tbh. However I and the what I believe is the vast majority of wall faithful seriously question SLs managerial credentials. Poor team selection. Poor tactics. Poor substitutions. Decent signings however he doesn't have the quality to get them to play for him. Time to go SL before its too late. SL will not walk. He needs to be axed asap.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 20:46
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    Such statements make me feel even more embarrassed!

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  • October 6, 2013 at 20:54
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    SL needs to learn fast that Millwall Football Club and it's fan base are a b******* free zone.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 20:59
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    So we get rid of Steve Lomas.......Who replaces him ? Think back to the last 4 or 5 managerial appointments. None of them had any real experience as a boss. They were all ex reserve or No.2 to a manager. As for the likes of Roy Keane , Curbishley , Clough etc .............Dream on for f#ck sake.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 21:16
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    Still reckon Peter Griffin would be a good alternative !

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    • October 6, 2013 at 21:43
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      @frank: good shout, get Clevland in as the fitness coach.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 21:40
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    What are the expectations of fans for Millwall?

    Realistically I felt avoiding relegation would be seen as a job well done given last season. However with the signings we made I genuinely thought top half was a possibility.

    Remember we are 5 clear of the drop zone and unless we fall back into it I can't see Lomas being sacked, and sacked is the only way he would ever leave IMO.

    I think we have enough quality to get results to keep our heads above water but unfortunately don't think we have seen the last of the thrashing either.

    Unlike some I actually think we could get a Curbishley (if he even wants to be a manager again) or a Clough.

    Yes we have a bad reputation but look at the players we have signed! They're a good bunch and someone will fancy the challenge should lomas go. KJ got a lot of praise for what he managed with us and all the negatives that occurred were rightly blamed on the fans not the manager so I don't see us as poisoned chalice which would ruin someone's reputation. Almost the opposite, achieve and people will be surprised, fail and people will think yeh tough job you tried your best.

    Ultimately I think lomas will manage to keep us up but there probably is someone available who would achieve a higher league position.

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  • October 6, 2013 at 21:54
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    No good bemoaning the Ref. whos errors are part of the game, Management makes the rules for the club, being 2-0 up in 10 mins you got to continue and kill off the opposition at least to half time, not defend for 80mins. The more you score the less chance of conceeding.
    Attack if you've got a suspect defence ------ Bounemouth did and it paid off
    A new better manager may not save us even though we're only about quarter way through the season.
    I'm sure man management skills are non existant at this club. the players seem to do as they like

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  • October 7, 2013 at 00:42
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    I went to the game, and it was very frustrating. We started extremely bright, taking our chances very well. However before half time, we seemed to sit back slightly, in the same manner we did against Charlton in the final 10 mins. Trotter can not 'area mark'- his reading of the game is very poor in terms of defending unfortunately. If you watch back the game, he is ball watching too many times. We are conceding far too many goals because we bring on trouble ourselves. We must look to attack at all times, and make our opponents, get ball side, and defend.

    We did ok last year, because Shittu was immense, however this year no one is leading from the back. We will continue to struggle unless we play Morison, and play the most attacking we have ever done. Everyone is focussing on the defence problems, but it is the same players who did well before; however they are under so much pressure continually now, it is inevitable they will produce mistakes. We must attack. You will notice, if players like Trotter, Martin, and Derry, are always going backwards, we are making their opponents, come onto us, we must learn to make the game ours.

    In 1987/88 everyone feared Millwall, we had Sheringham, Cascarino up front, Hurlock winning balls, Carter and Anthrobus/O'Callaghan wide, and Stevens and McLearly running the defence. (if i remember correctly, sorry for any inaccuracies) Times have not changed that much. You need 2 main players, in each area: defence, wide players, 1 ball winner and 2 upfront. I have been a neuro- linguistic programming sports (football) coach in Italy for the last 20 years, (always supported Millwall) and this is how to play. I just feel I should give my say.

    Lomas is very intelligent, and knows the game very well, however, this team is far different from St Johnstone. Millwall's team suffer due to lack of intelligence of the game. In defence: Dunne, Beevers, Shittu, and Forde all lack the mental capacity to be able to read games very well, they play too deep, and give the ball away far too easily. They need a leader at the back, maybe Robinson to lead the line, and 'call the shots'. Have any of these players studied Italian defence? (the best in the world) Its so easy when you know how. You all create a line at all times, as high up the pitch as possible, the 'shot caller' continually creates the line. You want teams to play balls behind you, then you focus on (first stopping these balls being delivered) then second, defending these balls from centre halves positions. Millwall have conceded goals this season, because we are playing too deep and letting teams making us defend, just in front of the penalty box. Of course 'we' will make mistakes here, make teams, play long balls behind us, Robinson, and Shittu, would eat up all balls coming from wide.

    Abdou has been the most consistent so far, he is intelligent, and I understand after his 'personal family' problems from last season, has progressed very well. However you can not play Bailey with him, he does exactly the same job. Play one or the other. Trotter causes a lot of problems going forward, he's tall and strong, but he isn't a defensive midfielder, who you can simply pull back 30 yards to defend. Abdou can defend the whole area himself. You need a player like Chaplow, to sit just in front of Abdou, and continually take the ball. I understand Chaplow was taken injured in training just before the Sat game, but he will be Millwall's player of the season once fit. We must play Morison, with Waghorn (play Mcdonald when back) and look to stretch teams with Woolford just behind.

    I know Henry, and Feeney got moved on, our typical wide players, but lets face it, how many goals did they create in total from crosses? Not a lot. We must look to go forward, play attacking and take the game to everyone we play against. With Chaplow, McDonald, Morison, Woolford, and Martin attacking (when fit), and our defence playing closer to the half way line, then we will beat teams. Everyone needs to give Lomas a chance, and realise that there's only so much someone can do. At the moment, he's trying to fire the players up, but they are falling apart because they are looking backwards not forwards. Get the team attacking, and have no fear, and Millwall will rise. Sitting back and waiting until half time, until we go forward will not solve anything. Go for it boys and start watching Spanish football. The game is so simple.

    You must make your opponents run backwards, not forwards as much as possible, then be intelligent and calculated with the ball. Go for it boys. I predicted last season we would just stay up, now I predict we will surprise everyone, but it will take some time. P.s buy a right back, there's plenty in Italy. 😉 All the best Lomas, Harford, Harris. I suggest booking in all the boys for Neuro-linguistic programming for confidence sessions. Regards, onwards and upwards.

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    • October 7, 2013 at 07:51
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      @Alexdangelo: You lost me after 'we did OK last year because Shittu was immense'. Interesting how a neuro-linguistic coach defines 'OK'.

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    • October 7, 2013 at 12:12
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      @Alexdangelo: Great post, interesting insight and made Luke smiths posts look like one liners.

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    • October 8, 2013 at 23:24
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      @Alexdangelo:
      Here's the thing - we have spent the whole season so far trying to play a passing game through the middle with no variation whatsoever. If we continue doing that with no plan B consisting of getting it wide, pulling defenders out of the middle and either cutting inside or crossing then the opposition are going to soak up our attacks all day long not just because we will be incredibly predictable but also because a fair number of your projected team couldn't pass to save their lives.

      And here I'm afraid I'm going to commit heresy and suggest that Chaplow produces almost as many misplaced and hospital passes as Jimmy. The main difference is that the former tries to find more intelligent short and medium passes. But if you are going to give the ball away anyway I'm not sure I wouldn't rather the culprit hoofed the blooming thing somewhere not liable to expose the defence. In an ideal world of course we'd have somebody able to pass consistently, look for through passes and get forward. And that, if only he could be persuaded to extract his digit from his posterior, would be Trotter.

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  • October 7, 2013 at 08:34
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    Is there a neuro-linguistic book for Dummies, and what is one ? Please excuse my ignorance .

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  • October 7, 2013 at 08:34
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    LOOKING AT OUR NEXT 4 GAMES COMING UP IF OUR DEFENSE DON'T PULL IT TOGETHER AND MR LOMAS DOESN'T SORT HIS BAD DECISION MAKING OUT AT TIMES WE COULD BE HEADING FOR A SPANKING........

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    • October 7, 2013 at 08:47
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      @Mo Slater Fruit and Veg: true we have some very tough games coming up. I think its a good thing as they will really give the team a challenge and we can see whether we are actually as bad as some fear or simply inconsistent.

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    • October 7, 2013 at 12:56
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      @Mo Slater Fruit and Veg: Yeh carrot top must be going bananas, he will have to tell them to use their swede a bit more, stop going down like a sack of spuds and stop leeking goals because he knows his onions.
      Hoping the game against Q Pea R will be a peach and it would be good if we could land a plum tie in the FA cup.

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  • October 7, 2013 at 09:00
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    KNOWING MILLWALL THEY GET SPANKED AT BOURNEMOUTH AND WILL PROBLEY GO AND BEAT QRP NOW BEEN THE SAME PROBLEM FOR YEARS.....

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      • October 7, 2013 at 10:46
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        @Old_Les: THE MUSHROOMS I GOT MATE WILL PROBABLY SEND YOU TO MARS AND BACK... THERE NOT FOR VETERANS HA

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  • October 7, 2013 at 10:59
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    Isn't the truth of the matter that Millwall has to live within its means (like the Millionaires in the government keep telling us to do) There is only limited scope for improvement at the club no matter what manager we have (although we have had more than our fair share of bad managers in the past) Unless someone comes along and buys out the club and injects a lot of cash am afraid JB will not make any immediate changes. The changes have to be made by Lomas, but sometimes his decisions and tactics have to be questioned and the fans have the right to do that.

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  • October 7, 2013 at 13:19
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    A friend of mine's son plays for Bournemouth he's from bermondsey so I'm sure a lot of you will know who I mean, I spoke to him earlier and he said that his boy couldn't believe how unfit Millwall are, breathing out of their arses after half an hour was the comment. Not encouraging .

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    • October 7, 2013 at 13:44
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      @thecolumbusblock: I dont know how they can be unfit, the amount of running around they have down so far this season trying to get the ball and also picking it out of the Fing net.

      Two Bob lot

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  • October 7, 2013 at 13:44
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    Just get the players to run round the fitness coach 10 times,equivalent of running a marathon.

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  • October 7, 2013 at 15:54
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    WHEN are the club going to sack that fitness coach....

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    • October 8, 2013 at 08:39
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      @darrenjamesdj: DJ, No one has enough puff to tell him he is no longer required, as you gussed it they are not fit enough.

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